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Network converters ?

Bigron

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Ok, I’m sure it’s been asked before, but I can’t find it.
I’ve just been on another forum and it seems there is some sort of network switch that plugs in and eliminates any noise on your network . Apparently networks are very noisy and this affects audio performance, you don’t hear it as noise, but it does degrade the quality. I think it's one of these. It’s a fibre optic converter I need.
If it’s not can someone tell me what I need to buy?


TP-Link MC200CM Gigabit Multi-Mode Media Converter​

 
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Ethernet is already galvanically isolated. Just make sure that you do not use shielded patch cables as it's possible that the shield could defeat the isolation if the equipment on either end is poorly designed.
 
The poster who suggested there was ‘noise’ on your network doesn’t by any chance happen to sell expensive network switches?
Keith
 
TP-Link MC200CM Gigabit Multi-Mode Media Converter
You'll need a fiber optic port in your source. All this does is convert ethernet from a connected RJ45 port to fiber on SPF.

Might come in handy for a long run.

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That’s what I thought, but this noise is not good
The poster who suggested there was ‘noise’ on your network doesn’t by any chance happen to sell expensive network switches?
Keith
Ha, ha, I don’t know, but when I questioned it he said I was taking absolute bollocks.
And just Google RFI.
 
He is a ‘chancer’ before he was a partner in a kitchen table enterprise making expensive cables loaded with ferrites
Disgrace really but …
Keith
 
It might only have any merit if the transmitted signal were analog - but it isn't. A noisy "1" is still a "1" and a noisy "0" is still a "0".
If it wasn't so, I wouldn't be able to send this message around half of the planet, through God knows how many "unaudiophile" (LOL) devices.

Ceterum censeo: audio voodoo, yet again.
 
An ideal network setup delivers the packets reliably and without problematic EMI. The overwhelming majority of consumer gear already does this. Networking is fairly resilient by design, there are setups a LOT worse than yours that still work perfectly.

Even if you wanted the peace of mind, just connect your streamer to the DAC over fibre/toslink or something galvanically isolated. the streamer itself doesn’t need to be completely shielded from the rest of the network, whatever noise might be present is not enough to flip bits.
 
You'll need a fiber optic port in your source. All this does is convert ethernet from a connected RJ45 port to fiber on SPF.

Might come in handy for a long run.

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My internet is Virgin cable and I use my Bluesound Node wireless and then a TP link to the Hegel. Would one these be any benefit to me using this configuration.
Even though the Hegel is wired, it’s not directly from the router.
 
An ideal network setup delivers the packets reliably and without problematic EMI. The overwhelming majority of consumer gear already does this. Networking is fairly resilient by design, there are setups a LOT worse than yours that still work perfectly.

Even if you wanted the peace of mind, just connect your streamer to the DAC over fibre/toslink or something galvanically isolated. the streamer itself doesn’t need to be completely shielded from the rest of the network, whatever noise might be present is not enough to flip bits.
The only time I encountered problems (sporadic bit errors when downloading), they were caused by a broken Wi-Fi router, about 10 years ago.
But no audio problems.
 
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He is a ‘chancer’ before he was a partner in a kitchen table enterprise making expensive cables loaded with ferrites
Disgrace really but …
Keith
So you know who I’m talking about then?
I’ve just googled him, yes he does sell them.
 
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You would need something like the new Eversolo T8 and use the SFP port. This is all wired .

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Can we please stop recommending solutions to nonexistent problems :facepalm:
I'm not recommending anything. Just pointing out nothing he has will work with the TP-LINK he referenced, he would need something with SFP.
 
I'm not recommending anything. Just pointing out nothing he has will work with the TP-LINK he referenced, he would need something with SFP.
That sounds like a recommendation to me…
 
Apparently networks are very noisy and this affects audio performance, you don’t hear it as noise, but it does degrade the quality
Digital is usually perfect! It's just numbers (ones and zeros). There is no 1/2 or 1-1/2, and as long as a 1 doesn't get "flipped" to a 0 or 0 "flipped to a 1, it's perfect.* This is the magic of digital!

If the noise is bad enough the data can be corrupted, or more frequently delayed, since there is error detection and correction.

Noise doesn't come directly-through into the analog but data corruption can cause dropouts/gaps and if they are short-duration they can sound like clicks & pops (noise). You don't get a loss of 'bass" or a loss of "detail" or better/worse soundstage, or anything like that. It rarely happens and when it happens it's rarely subtle. One of my analogies is that one wrong bit in your bank account is equally likely to cause a 1-cent error or a billion dollar error. Amir made a video that includes some discussion of this.

I’ve just been on another forum and it seems there is some sort of network switch that plugs in and eliminates any noise on your network.
All hubs and switches have active circuitry that buffers or "cleans up" the signal. It's an easy thing that happens automatically in almost all digital circuits. Another analogy - These posts go all over the world through multiple wired & wireless connections and if there's a typo here in my post you can be darn-sure that it was my error and not data corruption.


* I sometimes work with a particular microcontroller. It uses 5 Volt logic which means that 5V is digital one and 0V is digital zero. BUT like all digital, these analog voltages do NOT have to be perfect for the digital data to remain perfect. Anything over 3.5V is a one and anything less than 1.5V is a zero. Anything in-between is undefined and can be read as a one or a zero. That would be a BIG problem but in a properly designed circuit it just doesn't happen!
 
That sounds like a recommendation to me…
No it's not. It's a simple example of what's required to use the device he was wondering about. It's not a recommendation to buy it or even consider it. I wouldn't even consider it and I have fiber optic to my house and run copper in the house.
 
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