I see you need on ceiling and not in ceiling. You might consider an angled, on ceiling coaxial such as the Ascendo The6 or The10 Wedge.
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If I was forced to remove a pair of speakers from a system that had surround backs, I would probably choose those. I have had surround backs for a long long time and when they are called upon, they are quite effective. Was watching Jurasic Park in DTS:X today and there was tons of activity in all speakers and some very discrete sounds coming from the back that just wouldn’t have been the same if they weren’t there.
From the second row, my ceiling is 10'6" it goes to 11'6" up front and 9'6" on the back. Not sure if that makes a difference?
This is best practice in the home. You want all seats to be within the speakers dispersion pattern. If speakers are say 45 degrees forward for example it woudln’t make any sense to have them point downward. Just like you want the center and left/right to be generally pointed at you.
Which is not what you get with those. They are pointed towards a seating position each and are quite directional. So each seat would be covered by one overhead speaker, instead of them all covering all positions (wide dispersion).
OK. You made up my mind. I am going to stay with Marantz AV10 and build off that. I will tell AG that I have located the gear and speakers and will do the install myself and hope he can still calibrate. Like I mentioned before he installed an Ashly processer with my 7701 mkII. I am not sure what is actually does but I have the config files. Curious if he would leave it in or just calibrate with the Marantz?
If you are wanting 2 sets of side surrounds you will have to figure out how to do it. I am guessing the Ashly processor may be helping with that (not sure). If he is going to calibrate it for you and do speaker layout, he will figure that out for you. The second set of surrounds, can be done now within the AV10/A1H using the custom preout of the AV10. In the speaker layout, select front wide, then in the custom preout section, flip them to output surround instead. Then you will have 2 pairs of surrounds. Or stick with how he has it set up now which is probably more flexible.
I found a report from AG about the room when he first did the re-design and here is his explanation on using the Ashly
Exactly… it took the surround channel which is usually 2 speakers and split it into 4 for you to have 4 surrounds on sides instead of the normal 2. I would guess he would live it in place so you could do the same.
ever wondered why the sidewall surrounds ain't (( stereo )) , mute or solo each sidewall surround how they are not (( stereo )) oh may get that pan though but oh how it sounds so plastic like , i hardly play atmos anymore ,m dtsx pro could't care less for it , most discs mixes are rubbish now
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I'm surprised you could even read it. Makes no sense
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Well, I think you want new stuff. We all get there—too often for our wallets. But money is not an audible quality. So, if you want new subs I would get new subs. Plus you are in a change mindset anyway. You will smile and enjoy your new stuff afterwards.
If you are going with new design probably best to stick with more unified speaker setup. Probably some of the best AV speakers nowadays are Perlisten R or even better S series, or Arendal 1728 series. Ascendo also has great speakers but not so familiar with their range. There are definitely other brands that would do well - but again, not that familiar with them.
In reality, this was true for old Dolby systems pre-mastered in their channels. Atmos is object-based and does not benefit from wide dispersion. On the contrary, it has better results with directional speakers, because the sensation of three-dimensionality and the ability to virtualize an object comes from the precise distribution of the sound that the decoder sets for your Atmos configuration. The fewer reflections there are, the more precise the spatial positioning is, which is why classic dipole speakers are no longer used in modern Atmos configurations.
