Hi guys. I need advice from my fav forum site. i will first need to explain my current setup and the use of the headphones, to get a nice suggestion.
i listen to flac music from pc which uses a sonkoz laqxd1.
Laqxd1 is connected to my behringer x2222usb console. signal from the console is then connected to my sansui au 717 amp and from there signal goes to speakers.
(i use a console because on it i connect multiple needed signals like my electronic drums (2box drummit5 mk2), my laptop etc.
I already have Audiotechnica ath m50x headphones. these are directly connected to either my console to(when i jam with friends in order to get multiple sources) or directly to my drum module for just playing drums.
My current phones for drumming are fine. could be better, the seal doesnt seem good, but i cant complain (havent checked directly to nothing else apart from sennheiser hd201 which obviously get slayed). Job gets done.
But now i have also started needing to listen to music from my cans. when listening to music, the headphones are inserted in the phones out, of my console.
reading the manual, it states: max outout level: +19dbu / 150 ohms (+25dBm). (drum module states: system headphones output 32to 600 ohm). From what i understand both the console and drum module phones outputs work like a headphone amp right? qualitywise i dont know if they are as good as a headphone amplifier, but this what i have. i do not want at this point in time to invest in a headphones amp.
when i started listening music from m50x when connected to console, sound was not disgusting but they felt claustrophobic, no soundstage and really not engaging. i could listen to it there were no harse treble or anything that bad, but i wasnt amazed like my stereo speakers. I would like to have a better result. All this puzzle in my head started because i see that ath m50x has still a nice value and i could sell them at a nice price, and add some money to make my listening experience way better. Can i do it? this is where you step in.
Requirements
with these in mind, can i get some suggestions? from you guys that are the real experts?
i have already been suggested, or have seen being mentioned, these
meze 9 neo (26 ohm)
v-moda m200 (30 ohm)
beyerdynamic tesla dt 1350 (80 ohm)
akg k371 (32 ohm)
akg k361 (32 Ohm)
NAD Viso HP50 (32 ohm)
Sennheiser HD569(23 ohm)
Koss Pro4S(35 ohm)
Sennheiser HD380(54 ohm)
AKG K553(32 ohm)
Beyerdynamic DT-770 (16,32,80 or 250 ohm) (i should hate it because too much treble?)
Last but not least, i read about people adding curves manually via an eq program (like sonarworks) or custom curves via other programs. is that advisable? i would really like to avoid that to be honest. unless there is a combo of cand and software that really works. i listen music through foobar, lets keep that also in mind
so, any advice on what i could get that will be a really worthy upgrade vs my current ath m50x, would be more than welcome.
I do hope that you guys, with your excellent suggestions, would shape correctly myway of thinking. thank you
i listen to flac music from pc which uses a sonkoz laqxd1.
Laqxd1 is connected to my behringer x2222usb console. signal from the console is then connected to my sansui au 717 amp and from there signal goes to speakers.
(i use a console because on it i connect multiple needed signals like my electronic drums (2box drummit5 mk2), my laptop etc.
I already have Audiotechnica ath m50x headphones. these are directly connected to either my console to(when i jam with friends in order to get multiple sources) or directly to my drum module for just playing drums.
My current phones for drumming are fine. could be better, the seal doesnt seem good, but i cant complain (havent checked directly to nothing else apart from sennheiser hd201 which obviously get slayed). Job gets done.
But now i have also started needing to listen to music from my cans. when listening to music, the headphones are inserted in the phones out, of my console.
reading the manual, it states: max outout level: +19dbu / 150 ohms (+25dBm). (drum module states: system headphones output 32to 600 ohm). From what i understand both the console and drum module phones outputs work like a headphone amp right? qualitywise i dont know if they are as good as a headphone amplifier, but this what i have. i do not want at this point in time to invest in a headphones amp.
when i started listening music from m50x when connected to console, sound was not disgusting but they felt claustrophobic, no soundstage and really not engaging. i could listen to it there were no harse treble or anything that bad, but i wasnt amazed like my stereo speakers. I would like to have a better result. All this puzzle in my head started because i see that ath m50x has still a nice value and i could sell them at a nice price, and add some money to make my listening experience way better. Can i do it? this is where you step in.
Requirements
- Since i will also be using them for drumming, i definitely need CLOSED headphones. even though (from what i understand) my console acts as an amp for the headphones, id like to be safe and get headphones that can be driven without an amp. I do not expect to use these with my mobile phone. But an easy load is always better. So, i am searching for headphones in the region of 32 ohm or less. (if nothing worthy can be found in that region, then and only then i might consider headphones with 80 ohm resistance or more).
- i would like the cans to have nice soundstage. i know that closed cans dont have as wide soundstage as opened ones, but still something far wider than the non existent soundstage of m50x.
- Absolutely no v shaped cans.
- Absolutely no harsh or overemphasized trebles. i hate too bright trebly sound.
- lows should be controlled and tight. not boomy. no exagerations there. tight is the real word. when drumming, if i want more bass, thank god i will have my console to compensate.
- In other words i need a neutral listening experience (or so i think). neutral doesnt mean lifeless though. after reading similar threads, "harman preference headphone curve" came out a lot. after some research (if i understand that well), this curve helps make cans sound like neutral speakers, even if teh curve has some fluctuations? If this really works, then probably cans that follow that curve is what i need. I am not sure though. There are also reviews againts that curve as well....
- price range would be 200 euros and down. could go a bit up perhaps but id rather not. 150 euros would be the sweet point i am reallywilling to spend.
- (i am located in europe (greece) so drop is not an option really)
- detachable cable is a nice addition. my athm50x cable picks up rfi and emi when connected to console. if i have removable cable perhaps i can swap it witha shielded one, if i face problems.
- whatever i choose should be a significant upgrade from teh ath m50x. otherwise it is not worth upgrading obviously.
with these in mind, can i get some suggestions? from you guys that are the real experts?
i have already been suggested, or have seen being mentioned, these
meze 9 neo (26 ohm)
v-moda m200 (30 ohm)
beyerdynamic tesla dt 1350 (80 ohm)
akg k371 (32 ohm)
akg k361 (32 Ohm)
NAD Viso HP50 (32 ohm)
Sennheiser HD569(23 ohm)
Koss Pro4S(35 ohm)
Sennheiser HD380(54 ohm)
AKG K553(32 ohm)
Beyerdynamic DT-770 (16,32,80 or 250 ohm) (i should hate it because too much treble?)
Last but not least, i read about people adding curves manually via an eq program (like sonarworks) or custom curves via other programs. is that advisable? i would really like to avoid that to be honest. unless there is a combo of cand and software that really works. i listen music through foobar, lets keep that also in mind
so, any advice on what i could get that will be a really worthy upgrade vs my current ath m50x, would be more than welcome.
I do hope that you guys, with your excellent suggestions, would shape correctly myway of thinking. thank you
