NAD M33 V2 (with MQA QRONO and FOQUS) and NAD M23 V2, both with 2nd generation Purifis

[pogo]

Archimago has probably not done itself any favors by judging new technologies without understanding how they work.
However, this topic fits better in the MQA thread.

 

[NTK]

Archimago has probably not done itself any favors by judging new technologies without understanding how they work.
However, this topic fits better in the MQA thread.

I have much more faith in @pkane's assessment of Archi's technical knowledge.

No.
@Archimago didn't counter in the thread. Did he lack a technical understanding of the new MQA technologies?

I'm sure Archi doesn't lack technical understanding, but It sounds like you do. What problem do you think the "new" MQA really solves? And provide actual evidence, please, not links to marketing BS.

 

[Mike_Trueman]

Just a small question if i need to add more power later to my M10.

Would there be much difference between the M33 V2 and the NAD M10 V3 combined with a Eigentakt 1ET6525SA power amplifier?
And are there many downsides by adding a power amp to the NAD M10 or is it better to buy the M33?

NAD M10 V3 (2500€) + Apollon Purifi Eigentakt 1ET6525SA ST (1200€) = 3700€
NAD M33 V2 = 6500€

It is also much cheaper then buying the M33.

 

[pogo]

M33V2 ADC: Link

 

[qirex]

Just a small question if i need to add more power later to my M10.

Would there be much difference between the M33 V2 and the NAD M10 V3 combined with a Eigentakt 1ET6525SA power amplifier?
And are there many downsides by adding a power amp to the NAD M10 or is it better to buy the M33?

NAD M10 V3 (2500€) + Apollon Purifi Eigentakt 1ET6525SA ST (1200€) = 3700€
NAD M33 V2 = 6500€

It is also much cheaper then buying the M33.

I'd guess they're extremely similar, maybe a bit less SNR because components are more packed in tight with less shielding in the M10 but probably nothing you'd notice in a room. You could also get a Bluesound Node Icon and skip the amplifier stage altogether, it still has (optional) Dirac and it's the same platform.

 

[F1Fan72]

Just a small question if i need to add more power later to my M10.

Would there be much difference between the M33 V2 and the NAD M10 V3 combined with a Eigentakt 1ET6525SA power amplifier?
And are there many downsides by adding a power amp to the NAD M10 or is it better to buy the M33?

NAD M10 V3 (2500€) + Apollon Purifi Eigentakt 1ET6525SA ST (1200€) = 3700€
NAD M33 V2 = 6500€

It is also much cheaper then buying the M33.

I would go for option a and save some money..

At times, I’ve nearly brought a M10 or even a M33 but I personally can’t get on with the BluOs

 

[pogo]

I'd guess they're extremely similar

No.
The power amp section, including the PSU, perform at a very high level. The 1ET6525SA has again been adapted specifically for the M33V2 and can be bridged again.

 

[qirex]

Apollon seems to make good amps, at least the review with measurements I could find here indicates that they used a proper power supply to match the amplifier. No real reason to believe they wouldn't for the 6252. Reviews on this very site have shown that the stock power supplies from Hypex and nCore are good. maybe NAD's is better but is that audible?

 

[Marc v E]

I love the design of the m33, but I'd still rather spend 6500 on speakers.

And I do wonder sometimes if I could distinguish between, say a Denon avr of similar power and the m33 in a blind test. My guess is I could not.

Still a great device and great looking too.

 

[boXem]

The 1ET6525SA has again been adapted specifically for the M33V2

That's not true.

 

[pogo]

That should still be the case: Link
I hope that NAD will soon be releasing an M28V2, which will then also be bridgeable, similar to a Lyngdorf MXA-8400, but with the second generation Eigentakt.

 

[boXem]

There is no "specific adaptation". Purifi sells them drawings and firmware and they build the modules, that's all. Maybe they sort them out to reduce distortion when bridged, but nothing more.

 

[pogo]

There is no "specific adaptation".

That's not correct.
NAD informed me that they manufacture the Class D module and don’t simply just buy it directly from PuriFi. This allows them some leeway with regards to matching with their custom designed input stage.
Source: audioholics

 

[boXem]

And my source is Purifi. "leeway with regards to matching with their custom designed input stage" is marketing blurb and doesn't mean anything at all from engineering standpoint.

 

[Mike_Trueman]

Was the eigentakt module for the NAD C298 also not custom modified by NAD?

 

[boXem]

Nope. And you are posting pictures prom the power supply .

 

[pogo]

Evidence?
Is there an identical BOM including suppliers?

 

[NADKEF listener]

Just a small question if i need to add more power later to my M10.

Would there be much difference between the M33 V2 and the NAD M10 V3 combined with a Eigentakt 1ET6525SA power amplifier?
And are there many downsides by adding a power amp to the NAD M10 or is it better to buy the M33?

NAD M10 V3 (2500€) + Apollon Purifi Eigentakt 1ET6525SA ST (1200€) = 3700€
NAD M33 V2 = 6500€

It is also much cheaper then buying the M33.

Or you buy the current M33 for about €4K.

 

[boXem]

Evidence?
Is there an identical BOM including supplier?

One of us is discussing with Purifi management because he wants to understand what he is buying vs his competition.
The other is reading marketing blurbs and elaborates fantasies based on them.
I know that we live in an age when all opinions have the same value but this is becoming slightly ridiculous.
No need to reply, I have more important to do than this nonsense.

 

[qirex]

The amp modules in those pictures are the perpendicular boards with the heat sinks. Obviously Lenbrook is a big enough company to do custom layouts for their stuff, which is what "we build our own" means, since if they were actually building their own from scratch they wouldn't need to license the design and the brand name from Hypex.