Hardly, I'm responding to the OP who asked specifically about two things and I told him my thoughts on one being far superior than the other. I'm not going out there finding people who use and love the wiim ultra dac and telling them off. I'm telling the guy above that if he can get a least a c700 to stay away from the Ultra. He will not be happy with the sound. I have found some cheap older Dac's for a 2-300 that are HEAVY and made differently. I'm sure the numbers don't add up for you all, but the sound ALSO sounded more enjoyable to me than the detail of the ultra dac.