I own all of these streamers and dacs. I have my actual informed opinion on the sound. Not how they test. Answered the original posters question having owned what he was asking about.
Bring out your dead.
As Brian rightly pointed out, this isn't Audiokarma. If your intention is to simply share anecdotes, ASR is not the appropriate platform for that, as the focus here is firmly rooted in science.
Hardly a Troll. You guys all forget that the point of this is to enjoy music. I have all the things the OP asked about. If he wants the best musical experience, the C700 will romp on the wiim ultra in every way. It's just that simple. Buy both and A/b them and measurements aside, I'm pretty sure every single one of you would prefer the C700. Yes it's a little more, but It gives a far more enjoyable experience. You guys sound just off. I've owned maybe 10 dacs, obsess over finding the best bang for buck items that bring about the highest level of music satisfaction . Your measurements are only part of the equation. I have an interior design business and sell speaker systems to some of the biggest music producers in the world. I don't sell to audiophile types for the reasons above. You guys are so full of yourselves when real world sound and experience is what ultimately matters.You don't voice DAC's they are either broken or transparent in 2024 neither product has a completely broken DAC who's going to have a "sound".
Electronics does not have "soul" or "musicality" it's not in their domain to influence .
One other member managed to shorten this whole tedius "debate" .
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All good DACs sound the same.
So if a DAC sounds different, it's not a good DAC.
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Suggest OP put this fellow on the ignore list he's probably a troll .
On topic I have a WiiM but only as a digital transport , ime products works well app works ok app support is good . beware that if you use EQ or room correction you may need to lower the max volume setting yourself to avoid clipping , it's up to the user to calculate the correct amount
I have some news for you. It’s you who is taking away peoples enjoyment of music by telling everyone that their playback systems are insufficient and unmusical. You would make people believe that their audio systems aren’t good enough. The reality is that electromagnetic signal processing at the kHz frequencies is very well understood. There aren’t aspects of a DACs operation that we don’t comprehend or mysterious properties that we don’t realize. In fact we regularly manipulate and cohere electromagnetic signals in the MHz to GHz frequency range for MRIs that image the body and radars that can image the earth from space. Beyond that, these same equations let us coherently manipulate atoms and impurities for magnetometers and quantum entanglement in the 100’s of THz. Same math. We also use this math to manipulate optical fields at high intensities to prevent nonlinearities in silica fibers at 100 THz. Same math covering frequencies from audio 20-20,000 to radars, 10,000,000,000, to optics, 100,000,000,000,000. We wouldn’t be able to do any of these things if we didn’t know how a simple DAC worked. See your misbeliefs for what they are - scientifically demonstrated and documented biases at best, self serving means to upsell your audio clients at worst.
Hardly, I'm responding to the OP who asked specifically about two things and I told him my thoughts on one being far superior than the other. I'm not going out there finding people who use and love the wiim ultra dac and telling them off. I'm telling the guy above that if he can get a least a c700 to stay away from the Ultra. He will not be happy with the sound. I have found some cheap older Dac's for a 2-300 that are HEAVY and made differently. I'm sure the numbers don't add up for you all, but the sound ALSO sounded more enjoyable to me than the detail of the ultra dac.
Please describe the procedure you use when comparing.
That sounds good. However, I’d recommend focusing on meaningful improvements, as the "end game" becomes irrelevant when the changes are imperceptible -such as replacing one transparent DAC with another.Hi all, interesting replies
I have the WiiM Ultra and to me and at the price point, I think a cracking piece of kit. That said. I am always looking to improve things ..
Am I going to keep the Ultra… For the time being until the Bluesound Icon appears and I see some feedback about it.
I am hoping the Icon is ‘end game’ and comparably to something like the NAD M66 ..
Hi all, interesting replies
I have the WiiM Ultra and to me and at the price point, I think a cracking piece of kit. That said. I am always looking to improve things ..
Am I going to keep the Ultra… For the time being until the Bluesound Icon appears and I see some feedback about it.
I am hoping the Icon is ‘end game’ and comparably to something like the NAD M66 ..
it lacks some features compared to the ultra but sq is probably sufficiently indistinguishable from any other well designed product.So you think the Icon will not be better than the Ultra?
The Ultra is transparent, meaning there won't be any audible benefits from a DAC that has better measurements.
Seems like fair reasons to get one if like these extras .
