Shots fired. Where is @Purité Audio ?Are you sure the Dutch & Dutch is “one of the best measuring active speakers ever?” To me it seems to be all sizzle and no steak. The hype is high but the performance is meh.
Shots fired. Where is @Purité Audio ?Are you sure the Dutch & Dutch is “one of the best measuring active speakers ever?” To me it seems to be all sizzle and no steak. The hype is high but the performance is meh.
Shots fired. Where is @Purité Audio ?
I am not talking about the acoustic performance of the speaker, but rather the crappy Pascal amps inside. That’s a lot of dough to pay for middling amplification.Erin has measured the 8c and it did very well indeed -- of course, for $12kUSD/pair, that's pretty much to be expected, isn't it?
Erin's Audio Corner reviews the Dutch & Dutch 8c
See my comment above.Shots fired. Where is @Purité Audio ?
I am not talking about the acoustic performance of the speaker, but rather the crappy Pascal amps inside. That’s a lot of dough to pay for middling amplification.
I had read that having an amplifier dedicated to a driver in a particular frequency range would have a similar effect to increasing the damping level and allow greater control of especially low frequency drivers. Seems like a small benefit since most amplifiers today are powerful enough to do their job properly.There is certainly benefits, at least theoretical, to have crossovers in the digital domain, before the amps, if it is well executed, if it is really what you are asking. Now I feel that would be a good reason for "Biamping". Other than that I wouldn't have an opinion, I fail to see the benefit but maybe others have other theories.
What's wrong with Pascal?The Dutch &Dutch 8c - one of the best measuring active speakers ever - uses Pascal amps, perhaps one of the worst regarded class D amp families.
Strange huh?
What's wrong with Pascal?
I doubt there would be any discernible difference.While there's nothing "wrong" per se, their stuff simply isn't anywhere near SOTA in the Class D world -- currently defined by Purifi's "Eigentakt" scheme -- and therefore a fairly questionable choice for incorporation into "high end" active speakers that sell for $12kUSD/pair. Whether measurably better amps would audibly improve those already excellent speakers is also questionable, of course.
GGNTKT tested different amp modules in their active speakers. Couldn't hear a difference, so they went with Pascal modules, too.I doubt there would be any discernible difference.
The Dutch&Dutch 8C already have quite high harmonic distortion for monitors of their size, and it is inconsequential.
Just look at the measurements, Erin or Stereophile they are the best around.Shots fired. Where is @Purité Audio ?
It's probably because SINAD is a simple number that allows you to compare amplifiers. You need to understand the measurements to know how well-suited an amplifier is for a pair of speakers in a given listening situation. Having -20dB noise and distortion at 70dB listening levels is not going to make a difference, so you need to look at other metrics of the amplifier (like power) to decide if it's right for you.It makes me laugh that some people are obsessed with SINAD in tests of DACs and amplifiers but when it comes to active speakers it doesn't matter so long as audible performance is fine. I am actually in the second camp, but I also think that the obsession with SINAD has become silly
The typical ASR progression:It makes me laugh that some people are obsessed with SINAD in tests of DACs and amplifiers but when it comes to active speakers it doesn't matter so long as audible performance is fine. I am actually in the second camp, but I also think that the obsession with SINAD has become silly
The typical ASR progression:
1. Denial - The ASR novice sees his hifi heroes slain on ASR, and copes by assuming that Amir doesn't know what he's talking about.
2. Anger - The audiophile lashes out at anyone who dares to question the superiority of Wilson speakers, Abyss 'phones, Schiit headphone amps, or any other product that the audiophile owns or lusts after.
3. Depression - The angry audiophile turns inward and asks for his account to be deleted.
4. Acceptance - The formerly angry and depressed audiophile creates a new account.
5. SINAD obsession - The recovering audiophile becomes obsessed with SINAD numbers and buys more and more Topping products to impress other SINAD-fixated audiophiles.
6. Indifference - The recovering audiophile realizes that even SINAD numbers above, say, 80 or so just don't matter that much except with phones or perhaps in front-end equipment.
7. Freedom - The former audiophile quits the audio hobby and gets on with life.
I admire the small and cool running amplifier here. Other than that though, performance is middling and nowhere near state of the art in class D amplification which you can get for these prices, albeit probably from lesser known companies.
I am sorry but I did check for this. I probably should in the future.Did the AMP+ you tested emit a 'plop' in the speakers when you power them on ?
Depends on the level. A lot of powered speakers pop like this even from top brands but it is usually not very loud. If it is loud enough to scare you, then yes, it can be damaging.Anyway, if it does can it be harmful in the long term for the speakers ?