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When I said that Eversolo "is supported" by Lyrion, I meant that it can act as a native Squeezebox player. You'd need to be running LMS on a PC/NAS somewhere on your network.
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My way from Wiim Ultra through Eversolo T8 to Eversolo DMP-A6 Gen2 - is this viable ?
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OK - you are just talking about running a DLNA server somewhere on your LAN - just like I was talking about.
I wrongly thought you were suggesting there was something special about Lyrion working on Eversolo but clearly it was remote...
I entirely expect any player that has a DLNA client in it (renderer in their speak) to work with any DLNA server on the network, as that is whole point.
Ok - your own choice is Lyrion, while I happen to like UMS for my PC, and the built-in server on my NAS, and I have tried many, as I said (probably Lyrion too!). They all vary in some details, as it depends on what's in the RDB that the server builds and what the client queries - for example, the Synology one does not produce folder-level graphics, so if you have a pic of the Beatles in an upper folder coantaining albums, it won't expose that to a client, but UMS will. A small thing.
The other thing I found that varies is the handling of character sets for data in playlist files (accents etc), and the file format of the M3U file itself, e.g.. ANSI/UTF8/UTF8-BOM - I had the most trouble running Emby (they did not seem to undertand text file formats, even after making several betas for me - they ended up modifying all my playlist files to suit their bugs, making those files useless on my phone or in my car! Crazy)
I wrongly thought you were suggesting there was something special about Lyrion working on Eversolo but clearly it was remote...
I entirely expect any player that has a DLNA client in it (renderer in their speak) to work with any DLNA server on the network, as that is whole point.
Ok - your own choice is Lyrion, while I happen to like UMS for my PC, and the built-in server on my NAS, and I have tried many, as I said (probably Lyrion too!). They all vary in some details, as it depends on what's in the RDB that the server builds and what the client queries - for example, the Synology one does not produce folder-level graphics, so if you have a pic of the Beatles in an upper folder coantaining albums, it won't expose that to a client, but UMS will. A small thing.
The other thing I found that varies is the handling of character sets for data in playlist files (accents etc), and the file format of the M3U file itself, e.g.. ANSI/UTF8/UTF8-BOM - I had the most trouble running Emby (they did not seem to undertand text file formats, even after making several betas for me - they ended up modifying all my playlist files to suit their bugs, making those files useless on my phone or in my car! Crazy)
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if you like to tinker and want to buy a streamer, take another look at the WiiM as it has open API, and it's working really good -
one example https://github.com/retired-guy/Allmusic-WiiM-Tidal-Qobuz-Deezer (old but still working);
I tweaked this Allmusic addon (it's a browser extension) and now I can use Tidal web player as a front to play directly on the Ultra (or any WiiM streamer), instead of using its app - it's even better than the Tidal Windows app that uses "Connect".
the native LMS support is also awesome.
what's "not awesome"? the ground loop noise i got the first second i connected a sub to its sub out. but it also had to do also with the amp i was using then with an external power supply
one example https://github.com/retired-guy/Allmusic-WiiM-Tidal-Qobuz-Deezer (old but still working);
I tweaked this Allmusic addon (it's a browser extension) and now I can use Tidal web player as a front to play directly on the Ultra (or any WiiM streamer), instead of using its app - it's even better than the Tidal Windows app that uses "Connect".
the native LMS support is also awesome.
what's "not awesome"? the ground loop noise i got the first second i connected a sub to its sub out. but it also had to do also with the amp i was using then with an external power supply
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According to some topics I read, Eversolo builds an internal DB indeed, for files shared by a NAS via SMB or (in my case) NFS.
Volumio does it too, others even more so.
There are still differences between these in performance. On a huge collection Volumio refuses to respond at all on a Pi4/4G with endless HDD space so the issue is not storage definitely (but I don't want to talk about Volumio explicitly but the fact many players are simply not capable of scaling up if needed, due to lazy/faulty system design on programming side).
Volumio does it too, others even more so.
There are still differences between these in performance. On a huge collection Volumio refuses to respond at all on a Pi4/4G with endless HDD space so the issue is not storage definitely (but I don't want to talk about Volumio explicitly but the fact many players are simply not capable of scaling up if needed, due to lazy/faulty system design on programming side).
I would consider the Wiim ultra streamer to be plenty enough, even for high end speakers. When using the digital out there is just no loss: the conversion is being done by your dac. So the sound stays the same.
One other thing I would consider is usability. Imo the Wiim delivers there too.
So either Wiim or Eversolo or any other streamer choice I would look at:
-does it have the right inputs and outputs? And enough to cater to my needs.
-does it have great user friendliness? Ie great usability.
For example a hdmi arc input is very handy if you have a tv and want to control volume from the tv remote.
Optical or spdif doesn't do that.
Considering user friendliness, I for example use Spotify. That's why Spotify Connect in the streamer is ideal for me.
I control everything from my phone.
(If I would need a device with a physical remote control, then that would count a lot in making my choice.)
One other thing I would consider is usability. Imo the Wiim delivers there too.
So either Wiim or Eversolo or any other streamer choice I would look at:
-does it have the right inputs and outputs? And enough to cater to my needs.
-does it have great user friendliness? Ie great usability.
For example a hdmi arc input is very handy if you have a tv and want to control volume from the tv remote.
Optical or spdif doesn't do that.
Considering user friendliness, I for example use Spotify. That's why Spotify Connect in the streamer is ideal for me.
I control everything from my phone.
(If I would need a device with a physical remote control, then that would count a lot in making my choice.)
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Yes, it can do that but it will also play the same source(s) via a Roon/Audirvana/Jriver/etc. application via their own cpu/database which may be substantially more powerful.
I wonder if we communicating.
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I'd certainly not take that comparison table as gospel. It lists, for example, the Ultra's room correction as 'Good', and the Eversolo's as 'Excellent / evolving'. I'd ask firstly for definitive evidence that the Eversolo's room correction is better than the Ultra's, and then ask (more importantly for the overview, I think) why it says the Eversolo's is 'evolving', whilst completely ignoring the fact that the Ultra's has continuously evolved since launch, and is still doing so.
The fact that this inaccuracy appears suggests there's the possibility of some sort of bias in the AI's methodology, quite probably due to the sources it's using.
And then there's the fact that some of the Ultra's advantages are simply missing from the table. Subwoofer out with bass management? Analogue inputs?
I haven't time to go through both items' full specs with a fine tooth comb, but just from a cursory glance it's clear that it's not a trustworthy comparison.
Looking at Amir's review and measurements for the Ultra and DMP-A6, the Ultra's SINAD is c.115dB, the A6's is c,117dB. Dynamic range of the Ultra is 118dB, the A6 is also 118dB (though 119.5dB on XLR out). Distortion-free range Ultra 21 bits, A6 just short of 22 bits. Jitter is a tad better on the A6, but inaudible on both units.
Overall, the audible difference of the above measurements are non-existent. As such, I'd choose based on the features you'd personally need and use. If they show no difference, I'd go on price.
The fact that this inaccuracy appears suggests there's the possibility of some sort of bias in the AI's methodology, quite probably due to the sources it's using.
And then there's the fact that some of the Ultra's advantages are simply missing from the table. Subwoofer out with bass management? Analogue inputs?
I haven't time to go through both items' full specs with a fine tooth comb, but just from a cursory glance it's clear that it's not a trustworthy comparison.
Looking at Amir's review and measurements for the Ultra and DMP-A6, the Ultra's SINAD is c.115dB, the A6's is c,117dB. Dynamic range of the Ultra is 118dB, the A6 is also 118dB (though 119.5dB on XLR out). Distortion-free range Ultra 21 bits, A6 just short of 22 bits. Jitter is a tad better on the A6, but inaudible on both units.
Overall, the audible difference of the above measurements are non-existent. As such, I'd choose based on the features you'd personally need and use. If they show no difference, I'd go on price.
This is ASR - half of the members like value for money and/or good GUIs/features, and the for the other half it is still "$$++= good [like I have] and $$--= bad [like the cloth-ears have]", to word-play on Orwell there. And there are lot of finger-painters trying to be engineers!
Apesbrain
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Small point of clarity: Lyrion is not a DLNA server. It can support DLNA via a plugin, but in its default state it uses its own "slimproto" streaming protocol. Slimproto was developed by Slim Devices -- the inventor of Squeezebox -- exclusively for music and for some users it has advantages over DLNA. To "natively" support slimproto, a player needs the player application "squeezelite" integrated into its software. WiiM incorporates squeezelite into many of its devices, and I believe Eversolo also supports it.
OK so it can be made to work with all the usual DLNA clients, even if you need to download a plugin. Good idea that it does, or its general compatibility would not be great! I haven't tried it for a while and did not intend to mislead anyone.
In which case, for users wanting it as simple as possible, try Universal Media Server. It doesn't even install PERL (Lyrion uses that); it's java-based. it's pretty much: install, open the GUI (or browser if you need to), click the tab for shared libraries, add any folders containg media and boom - it shows up as a media device in youtr Wiim, or any of the other usual suspects, and you just play your music (or your videos too, if it's VLC or a smart TV)
Obviously I get $50 from them for each of you that downloads it, so I am unbiased! I just like simple.
Top Tip: use MP3Tag on all your files for best results in any streaming unit.
In which case, for users wanting it as simple as possible, try Universal Media Server. It doesn't even install PERL (Lyrion uses that); it's java-based. it's pretty much: install, open the GUI (or browser if you need to), click the tab for shared libraries, add any folders containg media and boom - it shows up as a media device in youtr Wiim, or any of the other usual suspects, and you just play your music (or your videos too, if it's VLC or a smart TV)
Obviously I get $50 from them for each of you that downloads it, so I am unbiased! I just like simple.
Top Tip: use MP3Tag on all your files for best results in any streaming unit.
Very nice!
Deserves its own thread I think: what streamer setup does what, a few simple guidelines and choices.
Thanks; I'm assuming no irony!
If I promoted this too much, I would get years of grief from the Roon supporters
Roon is a very good product, but I'm very cheapo, and a bit wary of products with the potential of lock-ins...
Thanks; I'm assuming no irony!
If I promoted this too much, I would get years of grief from the Roon supporters
Roon is a very good product, but I'm very cheapo, and a bit wary of products with the potential of lock-ins...
No irony!
I think it's very helpful because the real, meaningful difference between streamers (and their software) is somewhat vague.
For instance, while knowing that cheap streamers are just as good as paid options, I just recently found out that Wiim streamers have great usability and all inputs I could ever need.
And that those two are actually the deciding factors for me. Parametric eq in the streamer was a very welcome bonus that I didn't realise that would come in handy (to limit the amount of boxes).
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