What do you mean by move them on ?
Sell them and replace them with something more suitable for you.
I chose IEM's for ease of transportation.
Yeah I agree, IEM's have their place. Great for isolation, great for portability. Not so great for consistency, comfort, and other issues that I mentioned. And by "consistency", I mean that they do not sound the same every time you put them on, because so many things matter: insertion depth, earwax, adequacy of seal. I suffer from hayfever, and when I have a runny nose my IEM's sound different because the Eustachian tube is blocked.
I travel 6 months every year and live in places where acoustic reverberation is less then acceptable. ( South America to be precise ( I love latinas and well...you know.... made it happen.) , where every single wall is made out of bricks and cement blocks and everywhere, when you are inside any sort of building or houses it sound like you're a caveman, literally.) No way I'll bring or buy monitors to put in there. That would be acoustical suicide.
I wasn't suggesting monitors (I assume you mean little speakers). I think that over ear headphones would work well, if you have enough carry space to bring them with you.
''Microphonics, other transmitted sounds (like chewing or breathing), varying frequency response, comfort, and the sheer annoyance of putting them on.''
I did not understand what you tried to say there, I'm sorry.
Microphonics = the tendency of IEM's to transmit any sound from the cable to your ears. e.g. if the cable rubs on your shirt, you will hear it. This is why I think that most people do not appreciate the importance of IEM cables (and no I am not talking snake oil appreciation). Cables have to be non-microphonic, tangle free, have memory wire around your ears, and (for me) right angle plugs.
Transmitted sounds = if you block your ear canal, all sounds inside your head have no way to "escape" and so they resonate in your ear canal. Try it - wear your IEM's, make sure you have a good seal, and eat a biscuit. It will sound very loud.
When doctors examine the hearing of patients, there is something called a Rinne test and a Webber test. There are two types of hearing loss: conductive hearing loss (any obstruction outside the oval window of the Organ of Corti), and sensorineural hearing loss (any problem from the Organ of Corti to the brain). In a normal person, air conduction > bone conduction. In the Webber test, a tuning fork is placed on the patient's forehead and the patient is asked whether it is louder in one ear or the other. If it is, either the ear that is louder has conductive hearing loss, or the ear that is softer has sensorineural hearing loss. You then conduct a Rinne test. A tuning fork is placed outside the ear canal and the patient is asked to take note of the loudness. Then it is placed over the mastoid bone and asked if the sound is louder. If the sound is louder when placed over bone, then it is conductive hearing loss, because of the same mechanism I described above.
It is the same with bone conduction headphones. I have a pair that I use for swimming, and they are more effective if I also wear earplugs - and it's not only about blocking out the sound of splashing water. It actually helps with bone conduction.
In the same way, IEM's that block your ear canal will cause all sounds emanating from inside your head to be disproportionately loud.
You talking about over ear, I'm kind of splitted in between the HD800S with their boosted high freqs and the studio mogul HD650 where I always thought they sounded like a cussion was in front of my wifes mouth. (kinky isnt it?!). But yeah, they sound kind of muffled a bit to me. Never worked with the HD 800s tho.
Joke aside, I'll have to make another purchase at one point unless I can make sense of those U12t and the VSX bundle I recently purchased and just received today.
I am not a fan of either HD800 or HD650 because they sound too bright to me. I thought this even before I saw the measurements.
Incidentally, just yesterday I had a little discussion with Sean Olive on his facebook page where he talked about meeting Axel Grell (designer of the HD800 and HD650). Apparently, "
At CanJam Axel said he doesn't think headphones should have a bass boost. They should be flat. People like bass because they are unsophisticated listeners like you and me, and all of our trained and untrained listeners." (cut and paste from his response).
It made me think about whether compliance to the Harman target is all that important, so I asked him if whether
"you have an opinion of the commercial success of those headphones given that they deviate so far from the Harman target curve. Do you think there may be a subset of listeners who prefer a HD800 type target curve that you did not capture when you did your study?". His reply was "
Yes. There is indeed a subset of listeners who prefer less bass/ more Treble than Harman Target. In our segmentation analysis these are listeners who tend to be older ( possibly with age related hearing loss) and/or disproportionately female. Less bass likely compensates for hearing loss. I'm also told audio professionals like this sound profile according to Sonarworks CEO . I wonder if it better matches the Yamaha NS10 or is it noise induced hearing loss at play? Hearing loss is an occupational hazard for recording engineers and musicians."
That answer seems sensible to me, so I no longer think compliance to the Harman curve is all-important if the person who authored the seminal paper himself acknowledges there are different preferences, even one that deviates as wildly from the curve as the HD800S. So, I will NOT pan the HD800S/HD650 even though I don't like them myself. They have other admirable qualities, but for me the tone is not right. They might work for you.
Sean Olive also brought up an important point, that is: "
Less bass likely compensates for hearing loss." Your 64 Audios mostly comply with the Harman curve and you complained that they have too much bass. I do not think they have too much bass. I do not mean to be impolite, but if you have hearing loss, then any IEM or headphone tuned to the Harman curve is likely to have too much bass for you. And that includes nearly all the headphones suggested in this thread, including those $50 IEM's other ASR members are urging you to buy.
My suggestion earlier in this thread was: it is your hearing, your ears, and your HRTF. Nobody can predict what sounds good to you, not even Harman. Harman only predicts what sounds good to a population. Only buy headphones after trying, and if that is not possible, make sure there is a watertight returns policy.
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