Music presentation difference by XLR cable - Monoprice Premier 16AWG vs Mogami 2549 22AWG

[MasterApex]

I have never buy expensive cables , just good quality like Audio Quest brand speaker cables and some Monoprice basic XLR cables.
Recently I have add a few new speakers and experiment with several amplifier , with my new 802D3 speakers I started to hear the sonic differences among some amplifiers that I owned.

A friend told me to upgrade my XLR cables [from AV7706 to my amps (AHB2 or Levinson)] from Monoprice to Cardas http://cardas.com/insights_low_eddy.php
I was not ready to spend hundreds of $ on Cardas so I just order Mogami 2549 XLR cable.

I was not expecting to hear any difference as most test tone frequency analyzer measurement that I have read showed no difference.
So, when I listen to test tone (Stereophile CD2) , I hear no difference between the two cables.
However, when I listen to songs, there is an audible difference in presentation.
I don't have the words to describe it ; in simple way, the Monoprice 16AWG has more bass/low mid weight and the Mogami 2549 has more airy sounding.

What could explain the audible difference? Could my new 802D3 speakers be more resolving so I can now hear the difference?

I came across this thread

Battle of RCA Cables: Mogami, Amazon, Monoprice

What was the output and input impedance. And is the output and the input Grounded? To the same Ground? Whats the Impedance between Grounds? is there current/voltage between grounds?

www.audiosciencereview.com

As I read it, it makes me think that our measurement system is based on single tone frequency , not music.
Perhaps what is audibly distinguishable may not have corresponding electrical metric or equipment measurement yet .
As our science is still learning the complete understanding of auditory neurophysiology on music / songs.

Thoughts?

 

[Doodski]

Perhaps what is audibly distinguishable may not have corresponding electrical metric or equipment measurement yet .
As our science is still learning the complete understanding of auditory neurophysiology on music / songs.

There is no magic, voodoo or a lack of science. If you do a blind test comparing cables you will find there is no difference.

 

[Martin]

Seems like another good place to repost this: http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/2012/04/what-we-hear.html

Martin

 

[kongwee]

Of course, you will hear difference. This is the real world. The more you do not wanna spend, the more you will hear the difference. You don't just listen to sine wave in 30 tone or square wave in 1kHz. Music is complex sound wave. You have reference for piano vocal, guitar, bass, drums, orchestra. These are your reference. You pick up the timbre cue on which component does it differently.

 

[SIY]

What could explain the audible difference?

Sighted evaluation, coupled with suggestion and unfamiliarity with signals and measurement.

 

[BDWoody]

What could explain the audible difference?

Normal human bias.

As our science is still learning the complete understanding of auditory neurophysiology on music / songs.

Apply some science to your comparison before you decide it is insufficient for this task.

Of course, you will hear difference.

Exactly...with no controls, it's almost guaranteed.

 

[JSmith]

As I read it, it makes me think that our measurement system is based on single tone frequency , not music.

Nope... I just posted this in another thread where a similar claim was made;

Hence the multi-tone test;

1. The characteristics of a multitone waveform (e.g., spectral content, histogram, crest factor, etc.) give it a much closer resemblance to typical audio program material like music or speech, than a single sine wave.
2. Multitone distortion is generally better at detecting real-world problems involving clock jitter and sample rate conversion than traditional THD+N measurements.

Technical Library

www.ap.com

JSmith

 

[escksu]

Just to let you know that the general consensus in this forum is that cables makes no difference. I personally dont recommend anyone to talk about cables in this forum.

 

[vert]

Seems like another good place to repost this: http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/2012/04/what-we-hear.html

Martin

What an excellent reference, wow.

 

[Walter]

Just to let you know that the general consensus in this forum is that cables makes no difference. I personally dont recommend anyone to talk about cables in this forum.

The scientifically determined (by blind testing and measurement) results show that properly made cables of sufficient gauge make no difference.

 

[escksu]

The scientifically determined (by blind testing and measurement) results show that properly made cables of sufficient gauge make no difference.

I won't argue over that, not in this forum. Perhaps you could inform MasterApex as well.

​

 

[SIY]

I won't argue over that, not in this forum.

Yeah, sucks when you have to actually have stuff like "evidence."

 

[Frgirard]

Just to let you know that the general consensus in this forum is that cables makes no difference. I personally dont recommend anyone to talk about cables in this forum.

I agree with you. There is nothing to say about the sound of the cables.

 

[Katji]

I agree with you. There is nothing to say about the sound of the cables.

There is nothing to say about that which does not exist, except what Psychology research studies have found.
Not "auditory illusion', just illusion.

 

[JSmith]

I won't argue over that, not in this forum.

Better to refer to power chords that power cords... I'd better go, my kettle is boiling.


JSmith

 

[VintageFlanker]

Monoprice 16AWG has more bass/low mid weight and the Mogami 2549 has more airy sounding.

As your bias would expect, based on the announced cross sectional areas of each...

As far as I know, the Monoprice is not "16AWG" at all and perform the same as any other XLR.

 

[FrantzM]

I have never buy expensive cables , just good quality like Audio Quest brand speaker cables and some Monoprice basic XLR cables.
Recently I have add a few new speakers and experiment with several amplifier , with my new 802D3 speakers I started to hear the sonic differences among some amplifiers that I owned.

A friend told me to upgrade my XLR cables [from AV7706 to my amps (AHB2 or Levinson)] from Monoprice to Cardas http://cardas.com/insights_low_eddy.php
I was not ready to spend hundreds of $ on Cardas so I just order Mogami 2549 XLR cable.

I was not expecting to hear any difference as most test tone frequency analyzer measurement that I have read showed no difference.
So, when I listen to test tone (Stereophile CD2) , I hear no difference between the two cables.
However, when I listen to songs, there is an audible difference in presentation.
I don't have the words to describe it ; in simple way, the Monoprice 16AWG has more bass/low mid weight and the Mogami 2549 has more airy sounding.

What could explain the audible difference? Could my new 802D3 speakers be more resolving so I can now hear the difference?

I came across this thread

Battle of RCA Cables: Mogami, Amazon, Monoprice

What was the output and input impedance. And is the output and the input Grounded? To the same Ground? Whats the Impedance between Grounds? is there current/voltage between grounds?

www.audiosciencereview.com

As I read it, it makes me think that our measurement system is based on single tone frequency , not music.
Perhaps what is audibly distinguishable may not have corresponding electrical metric or equipment measurement yet .
As our science is still learning the complete understanding of auditory neurophysiology on music / songs.

Thoughts?

Trolling.

Peace.

 

[kongwee]

Belden 8333x series cable. Only in bulk, no terminated. Over spec cable that can function from line to power cords. very low capacitance, reasonably good shielding.

 

[Angsty]

“Believing is hearing. That's right, if you believe you will hear a difference, then there's a good chance that you will.” — Roger Russell

If you have a question about wire in audio systems, Roger Russell (R.I.P.) probably covers it in this long article.

Speaker Wire

 

[Chrispy]

If you buy fraudioquest speaker cables you're already lost.