MQA Deep Dive - I published music on tidal to test MQA

[amirm]

You already paid the high tier for Tidal to include MQA access even though you didn't have it? Roon isn't free either. The bullshit for me lies in it's basic no need to exist category.

I bought Roon paid up license well before MQA was ever announced. Feature was added free of charge.

I was also a Tidal subscriber for their CD-lossless library (hifi tier) and then they added MQA without changing the subscription fee.

So for me personally, MQA has been free as has been for vast majority people who consume it.

 

[dmac6419]

It didn't replace anything. if I want lossless, I can buy it with downloads. Or get Qobuz. Or Amazon. Otherwise I consume MQA for free from Tidal.

You can't reason with these people.

 

[Tks]

It didn't replace anything. if I want lossless, I can buy it with downloads. Or get Qobuz. Or Amazon. Otherwise I consume MQA for free from Tidal.

Free from Tidal? Got an invite link or something. Tidal aint free here where I live. Wonder why others wouldn't adopt MQA in their catalogues then. Lots of "free" going on here.

So to clear, since I doubt Tidal is free (and being serious for a moment, my prior lengthy post explained why this whole "free" you keep mentioning ought concern you). You enjoy MQA lossy enough to pay one of the higher subscription costs over other lossy services at lesser cost (with far more vast libraries). As well as having the choice to use lossless since you mention Qobuz was an option? Bit odd with when you said you would rather lossless over MQA prior.

Very interesting. To each their own I suppose.

 

[amirm]

Free from Tidal? Got an invite link or something. Tidal aint free here where I live. Wonder why others wouldn't adopt MQA in their catalogues then. Lots of "free" going on here.

You serious? I said MQA was free in Tidal. Not that Tidal was free.

But yes, you actually need to sign up for these services to understand the market. Then we would not argue over such simple facts.

 

[Chrispy]

I bought Roon paid up license well before MQA was ever announced. Feature was added free of charge.

I was also a Tidal subscriber for their CD-lossless library (hifi tier) and then they added MQA without changing the subscription fee.

So for me personally, MQA has been free as has been for vast majority people who consume it.

Yeah, doesn't cut it for me though not only in cost but just the raison d'etre.

 

[amirm]

You enjoy MQA lossy enough to pay one of the higher subscription costs over other lossy services at lesser cost (with far more vast libraries).

I enjoy music that happens to be MQA. I have not attributed happiness to MQA itself. And what other lossy services you talk about? There are only Tidal and Qobuz integrated in Roon. And if it is not in Roon, it is not something I am interested in.

As well as having the choice to use lossless since you mention Qobuz was an option?

Qobuz has been a later addition to Roon. I worry that they may go out of business tomorrow with Amazon coming on their tail. I hate to sign up and then have to build my large library on another service. Tidal works and I spend on my time on other things than shopping for music services.

 

[dmac6419]

Free from Tidal? Got an invite link or something. Tidal aint free here where I live. Wonder why others wouldn't adopt MQA in their catalogues then. Lots of "free" going on here.

So to clear, since I doubt Tidal is free (and being serious for a moment, my prior lengthy post explained why this whole "free" you keep mentioning ought concern you). You enjoy MQA lossy enough to pay one of the higher subscription costs over other lossy services at lesser cost (with far more vast libraries). As well as having the choice to use lossless since you mention Qobuz was an option? Bit odd with when you said you would rather lossless over MQA prior.

Very interesting. To each their own I suppose.

I have Tidal, Qobuz, Amazon HD, and none of them are better than the other,I have Jriver, Roon l like them for the different features, mp3, flac,MQA, DSD, SACD, Vinyl,Tape I enjoy it all,analog or digital makes not a bit of difference to me.

 

[Tks]

You serious? I said MQA was free in Tidal. Not that Tidal was free.

But yes, you actually need to sign up for these services to understand the market. Then we would not argue over such simple facts.

Yes, I know, I'm trying to poke a bit fun with how you pass off the message by saying MQA is free. And how yoy pay nothing (my lengthier prior post explains all the issues with this). So I am aware.

I have Apple Music though, but being signed up, im not seeing how that helps me "understand thr market" or what relevance this has to the topic of contention (the topic being, the last few things we have been discussing).

I know you were grandfathered in with respect to Room (repeating myself here from my lengthy post I suppose went unnoticed) and that Tidal subscription you have simply provides MQA. And how you characterize this as free, and thus absolves MQA of its problems (or in your view, as a product that doesnt have problems perhaps to any appreciable sense).

I really dont have much else to say. I understand your position well enough so thats that as you say. I just worry if such a position can be extended to other dubious audio products if you were provided "free" access or units of them.

 

[dmac6419]

Yes, I know, I'm trying to poke a bit fun with how you pass off the message by saying MQA is free. And how yoy pay nothing (my lengthier prior post explains all the issues with this). So I am aware.

I have Apple Music though, but being signed up, im not seeing how that helps me "understand thr market" or what relevance this has to the topic of contention (the topic being, the last few things we have been discussing).

I know you were grandfathered in with respect to Room (repeating myself here from my lengthy post I suppose went unnoticed) and that Tidal subscription you have simply provides MQA. And how you characterize this as free, and thus absolves MQA of its problems (or in your view, as a product that doesnt have problems perhaps to any appreciable sense).

I really dont have much else to say. I understand your position well enough so thats that as you say. I just worry if such a position can be extended to other dubious audio products if you were provided "free" access or units of them.

Tidal is the same price as it always was,that's what he's saying.

 

[Tks]

I have Tidal, Qobuz, Amazon HD, and none of them are better than the other,I have Jriver, Roon l like them for the different features, mp3, flac,MQA, DSD, SACD, Vinyl,Tape I enjoy it all,analog or digital makes not a bit of difference to me.

Thats actually my position, most of this stuff sounds the same to me. Where you confuse me is why you would have so many things. If they're all the same (basically the same I mean), do you simply like collecting or is it some other driver?

Tried Room, was okay but wasnt getting much over JRiver for my use. Have Apple Music after a long time with Amazon and Qobuz. Also got DSD MQA FLAC MP3 OPUS MP3 VBR (Amazon selling this nonsense sub 200kbps) AAC. I don't have vinyl or tape though. All pretty good to my ears.

 

[JSmith]

Tidal is the same price as it always was,that's what he's saying.

Sure, but haven't they removed standard FLAC and replaced it with MQA.FLAC?

I'd personally be a bit annoyed if I was paying for what is described and sold as high-res audio to then have it replaced with MQA under the guise of it being lossless and high-res.

Basically MQA fills a need as suggested by others earlier in the thread... once that light comes on the mind is at ease.

The whole "high-res" music industry is a scam in many ways to start with anyway... MQA is just taking it to another level with built in DRM.

This is why the studios like it... DRM, nothing to do with audio quality.



JSmith

 

[amirm]

I know you were grandfathered in with respect to Room (repeating myself here from my lengthy post I suppose went unnoticed) and that Tidal subscription you have simply provides MQA. And how you characterize this as free, and thus absolves MQA of its problems (or in your view, as a product that doesnt have problems perhaps to any appreciable sense).

There is no evidence of MQA charging Roon, or Roon passing on that charge to anyone. And I was not grandfathered with Roon. You had the option of paying yearly or all at once and I did the latter.

You talk about "problems" but I have not seen them. Your beef is with a company and its style of business. That, as I have explained, is out of line. Apple is one of the worst companies in this type of business. 30% of all app sales on their platform goes to them. You have zero, zero way to sell an app on their platform. Total monopoly. Yet so many people love apple and no one talks about these "problems." Instead, folks are getting upset over this little thing called MQA. Go spend the energy to open up Apple store. Then you will be doing some good.

Go push for patent reform so that cartels don't get together, create the next wireless standard and then charge every consumer many dollars with full blessing of governments/anti-trust laws.

You are worried about claims of a $5/bottle water company while ignoring mass market problems per above. Don't waste your online time on things that don't matter.

 

[dmac6419]

Thats actually my position, most of this stuff sounds the same to me. Where you confuse me is why you would have so many things. If they're all the same (basically the same I mean), do you simply like collecting or is it some other driver?

Tried Room, was okay but wasnt getting much over JRiver for my use. Have Apple Music after a long time with Amazon and Qobuz. Also got DSD MQA FLAC MP3 OPUS MP3 VBR (Amazon selling this nonsense sub 200kbps) AAC. I don't have vinyl or tape though. All pretty good to my ears.

I have so many things because I can afford them, that way when people say this service sounds better than that service l can investigate what they're talking about. Master tapes come in analog and digital some were recorded for vinyl, some for tape,some for CDs specifically that's why things sound different,with streaming we don't know what master tape they used,find what you like and enjoy it.

 

[Chrispy]

Basically you're expecting mqa to actually offer something of value....that's where I lose it since I don't see them doing that except for someone like Tidal to obscure part of the catalog's "offerings"

 

[dmac6419]

Sure, but haven't they removed standard FLAC and replaced it with MQA.FLAC?

I'd personally be a bit annoyed if I was paying for what is described and sold as high-res audio to then have it replaced with MQA under the guise of it being lossless and high-res.

Basically MQA fills a need as suggested by others earlier in the thread... once that light comes on the mind is at ease.

The whole "high-res" music industry is a scam in many ways to start with anyway... MQA is just taking it to another level with built in DRM.

This is why the studios like it... DRM, nothing to do with audio quality.



JSmith

No they haven't removed standard flac not that I noticed, you don't want so called DRM,they still make CD's and vinyl ,just curious who do you stream from.

 

[Clavius]

I just can’t help seeing a correlation to another highly regarded industry leader with impeccable credentials, the chairman of NASDAQ, on the board of directors National Association of Securities Dealers (NASD) etc, etc. He was also a prominent practitioner of new trading trading practices and and a pioneer in using innovating computer information tech.
When proven mathematically to be a fraud it was ignored not only by his peers but also by actors in the field as the SEC, the FBI, and the Central Bank of Ireland.
I never paid him a dime either but I still maintain it’s morally and intellectually wrong to lure people with fraudulent claims and yes I do give a damn about people getting bullshitted. In this case I feel particularly upset about the scienterrific fairy dust.
I guess some people don’t give a rats @$$ about people being peddled lies by their peers and others are just happy being happy..

 

[Tks]

There is no evidence of MQA charging Roon, or Roon passing on that charge to anyone. And I was not grandfathered with Roon. You had the option of paying yearly or all at once and I did the latter.

You talk about "problems" but I have not seen them. Your beef is with a company and its style of business. That, as I have explained, is out of line. Apple is one of the worst companies in this type of business. 30% of all app sales on their platform goes to them. You have zero, zero way to sell an app on their platform. Total monopoly. Yet so many people love apple and no one talks about these "problems." Instead, folks are getting upset over this little thing called MQA. Go spend the energy to open up Apple store. Then you will be doing some good.

Go push for patent reform so that cartels don't get together, create the next wireless standard and then charge every consumer many dollars with full blessing of governments/anti-trust laws.

You are worried about claims of a $5/bottle water company while ignoring mass market problems per above. Don't waste your online time on things that don't matter.

Well I directly linked one problem for sure, and you have this whole thread of pthers discussing multiple others, so no need to give me all the focus really. And.. Yes, its the style of business of a snake oil company in terms of behavior. The precise sort you detest (though this one in particular you shared a similar professional desire at one point so I can understand the exception you are making somewhat). As for the Apple comparison, its not analogous to the types of complaints one levies against Apple versus MQA. Lastly, telling me what I ought to like opening a store and "being good" is a distraction. I could in fact be scum, and it wouldnt matter, since there isnt a focus on me anyway. But as I said prior, I appreciate the concession by implication that MQA isnt something yoy hold with neutrality.

As for cartels, thats a red herring (again I could be sick and it would be tangential to the discussion). This reminds me of mutiple activists telling people what cause they should champion (oh you care about the environment?! What about race issues, make a real difference dude!). I'll do both when I can I suppose.

As for $5 water bottles not mattering, thats a red herring again. What matters is a personal decision. I'll let audiences judge whether its more of an insane position or not though. But as I said also in my prior lengthier few posts back. Saying its not a big problem, yet giving us and me all this attention on thos thread, trends you toward potential contradiction.

I feel like I'm just repeating myself in many places (aside from dealing with new requests for me to start my own company with New World Order of influence so I can learn my lesson on the realities of life or something). Perhaps you would like to ask me things? I really am not sure what much I have to say with respect to the original topic of contention. Maybe we could PM one another about these slightly off topic things tomorrow or even MQA if you feel like? A bit late here currently.

 

[Tks]

I just can’t help seeing a correlation to another highly regarded industry leader with impeccable credentials, the chairman of NASDAQ, on the board of directors National Association of Securities Dealers (NASD) etc, etc. He was also a prominent practitioner of new trading trading practices and and a pioneer in using innovating computer information tech.
When proven mathematically to be a fraud it was ignored not only by his peers but also by actors in the field as the SEC, the FBI, and the Central Bank of Ireland.
I never paid him a dime either but I still maintain it’s morally and intellectually wrong to lure people with fraudulent claims and yes I do give a damn about people getting bullshitted. In this case I feel particularly upset about the scienterrific fairy dust.

The worst part about the whole MQA ordeal though is, even if you ran blind tests that proved 100% confidence of MQA sounding more preferable. It would literally change virtually nothing about the critiques many here brought up.

 

[Tks]

I have so many things because I can afford them, that way when people say this service sounds better than that service l can investigate what they're talking about. Master tapes come in analog and digital some were recorded for vinyl, some for tape,some for CDs specifically that's why things sound different,with streaming we don't know what master tape they used,find what you like and enjoy it.

Oooh I understand, makes sense since yoy evaluate almost all options.

 

[JSmith]

do you stream

No... but I should give a good sauna a go, I'm told they're relaxing.



JSmith