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Most beautiful speakers in the world ?

I have 2 suggestions:
1. Sonus Faber Cremona, when they were and understated brand
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2. Waterfall Victoria, they were built in glass with Triangle transducers
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Hasn't Pearljam5000 posted the Genelec 8380 here yet?
When he does, I suspect it will be in white...
 
The black color gives the 8380a model a rather fierce and slightly sinister appearance. It is a rather neat and intimidating device. The openings on its front panel resemble cat ears or horns when viewed from a certain angle.

In a dark room, this black surface blends into the background, while the white surface shines like snow. You have to be careful about the kind of work environment you want to get these for. This just occurred to me.
Of course, you may disagree with what I'm writing.
 
The individual said

How clear can it be?


They also went on to say that they slap them on. Have you ever veneered a piece of furniture? I commented as a mechanic who has personally had people tell me how easy it is to fix something they broke, BUT called me to fix it. 1000s of dollars and several hours later, they get a bill for 20K. BUT they could have slapped it together.

When someone makes it look easy, it may not be the case for the person with the opinion. I've personally dealt with many individuals who think things are EASY! It may have taken them 30 seconds to break something from being impatient, unaware of the damage they actually caused, BUT it took hours to fix it. I've literally seen and fixed thousands of pieces of equipment just behind not greasing a joint, BUT then it's just grease, right?

People don't know what they don't know. Those people are a 5 trillion dollar industry per year. BUT just slap a new one on, it's easy. LOL

Sound familiar? It sure does to me. Live and hopefully learn! I may sound a little short after 35 apprentices taking shortcuts and not doing it right. I LEARNED!

I believe the term, walk a mile in MY shoes is appropriate. :)

My deepest Regards
That's a very impressive grasp of the wrong end of Blockader's stick.

cheers
 
Finally enough drivers in one speaker
There is very little that beats the qualities of a well-made line array for living rooms.
Very consistent sound dispersion, much less problems with room modes, high level, little distortion and, for me, a unique sound experience.

As with many other speakers in this thread, it's debatable whether the many speakers are also beautiful.

My first experience in the 1980s

Grundig Monolith 190

A Semi Array

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A very good DIY Project

Monacor Lightning and Wild Thing Subwoofer

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There is very little that beats the qualities of a well-made line array for living rooms.
Very consistent sound dispersion,

In theory that might be the case, and for bass and (lower) midrange there is a certain truth to that claim.

The smaller the wavelength, though, the more significant cancellation, lobing, phaseyness and localization issues become. I have never been listening to a fully convincing tweeter line array, at least not under home conditions in common listening distance. Dome arrays with significant distance between the tweeters and horizontal lobing, like the example you have linked, are the worst IMHO.
 
There are loudspeakers that do really well in design and would not be off in an art gallery.

B&W has a at least one apart from their famous Nautilus, that seems a bit of a spin-off in conceptual design where sound is not the foundation. It was featured in a bit of a modified form on one of the Art of Noise album covers. Its description goes by the following lines.


Emphasis is not so much a loudspeaker, altogether more a work of art. It’s priced that way, has to be judged that way.

If I would pick a form follows function loudspeaker and a great piece to look at as well, I would go for he Elysian 2. Maybe after my Evo 4.2 this might once be a little upgrade, but I think they are a fraction too big for an average sized living room.


Will make sure I will find the thinnest speaker cord from the DIY I can find ;)
 
I would go for he Elysian 2
I would think about that.
Relatively inexpensive chassis, mediocre workmanship on the inside.

 
I would think about that.
Relatively inexpensive chassis, mediocre workmanship on the inside.

It's a topic about beautiful loudspeakers. That does not cover what's underneath and the quality of materials used :)

And the review is about the the floorstander. Don't know if the three-way standmount version (the elysian 2) also falls short and has to meet the floorstander conditions mentioned. The Elysian 2 has a range of 35hz - 22khz, which is reasonable for a standmount. My Evo 4.2's are 54hz - 22khz. Can't really say that it lacks bass. It is as it should be and fits the model in my opinion. But offcourse, there are some that dig deeper.
 
Dome arrays with significant distance between the tweeters and horizontal lobing,
The Grundig 190s were wonderful to listen to but then that was 50 years ago.

The Trick is to get the drivers close enough together and stack the bottom and top of the wave guides as close together as you can. It mitigates most of the lobing. One long continuous ribbon (by truncating) and by aligning the drivers further back from the front baffle vs the mids. The same needs to be done with horizontal and vertical truncation of the mids or sub/bass drivers. Staggering and fitting a second line of cones BETWEEN the inside or outside line of mid or bass drivers. I like cones to the outside, preferably in a separate cabinet. I've never had much luck with an LS of bass drivers in the same cabinet. The math just doesn't work.

They used to lay one ribbon on top of the other. It tipped the drivers either forward or backward (negative or positive caster) to a center point. It acted as a point source and where negative met positive was the alignment for ear height.

Sub/bass drivers that were in two or 3 vertical staggered arrays had very little lobing. If you add convex to the array and floor to ceiling, there is literally zero lobbing.

The same goes for neg/pos lapping of ribbon tweeter drivers that are tipped towards the center at the top and bottom. Infinity QL1 and IIs had an adjustment that few people took advantage of. It reduced tweeter lobing considerably if you followed the instructions. It helped a lot by lowering the XO point between domes and ribbons, too.

Domes vs cones work the same way. The problem is stacking. Domes don't stack very well in my experience and truncation is darn near impossible, BUT staggering 2 to 3 line arrays works very well if you can afford the drivers (for one). Most people don't understand that the closer you get to the top and bottom (ceiling and floor plane) the fewer problems you have overall. In other words, short LS seldom works, whereas hybrid LS/PS can work very well. A single tweeter in the front or back or both that is time-aligned with the mids is one of my favorite types of speakers to listen to.

Some speaker designers get all bent out of shape behind the theory vs practicality/cost. Simply put, it is NOT rocket science. Joe Blow couldn't tell the difference. Look at Infinity IRS V. They lob worse than any speaker I've ever listened to, and they were still a lot of fun. But to listen to the critics, they were the greatest. The VMPS RM50 was far superior with a hybrid LS/PS. The RM50 also closed off the rear of the front and rear drivers, where the IRS V didn't.

The depth of the RM50 cabinet 24" (?), mitigated arrival times from the front and rear baffles. The front wall distance to the rear of the cabinet was crucial. There is a formula that is fairly easy to work out if you tape a grid on the floor and start your measurements at the seated position. About 24 to 36", depending on the rear wall distance. (RM50). IRS V the middle of the room is as good a place to start as any. LOL

The mid pics in 7311 are an example of what not to do. Staggering and lapping might not have looked better, but they sure would have measured better. There would be a lot of cancellations. The one saving grace is being close to the ceiling and floor plane.

The IRS V and Betas had ZERO imaging but great immersion sound. I owned IRS Betas for 17 years. Tons of fun and a great servo bass system, considering the price difference between the V and the Betas. 10-12K vs 80+K delivered. I repaired quite a few sets, 1980-2000.

Regards
 
The smaller the wavelength, though, the more significant cancellation, lobing, phaseyness and localization issues become. I have never been listening to a fully convincing tweeter line array
This is why, for example, the Grundig Monolith and the Heco Lab series were wired differently in the tweeter array.
I once had the circuit diagrams for this - I'll have to look for them.
 
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