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Cool design. Unfortunately, the WG doesn't cure the IMO fatal flaw of those Vifa/ScanSpeak ring radiator tweeters - the super-narrow top octave that makes them super sweet-spotty. Polars here: https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/open-source-monkey-box.327594/page-45#post-5864494

I’m reposting the speaker again because I have a question that has been occasionally spinning around in my mind.

It’s the Waveform Mach Solo:

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As I’ve said, it was one of the best loudspeakers I’ve ever heard in my room.
Still kind of haunts me. For many years afterwards, I owned a pair of the Waveform Mach MC monitors, which is just the egg portion with the mid range and tweeter, though with a port on the back helping extend bass response. Just like the larger Mach Solo, they came closer than any other loudspeaker to the “ disappearing and imaging” qualities of my MBL omnis that I owned. Plus the Mach Solo was just super dynamic and very “ live” sounding.

So here’s a fantasy that is never going to happen, but I’d like people to chime in as to whether it is plausible or not:

I imagine getting a hold of one of these Mach Solo speakers, and if I had stupid money to throw at it, I asked some talented speaker designer to do a hot rod version: for instance, upgrade all the drivers to the very best available or possible. And I assume that would mean re-jigging the crossover.

For instance, I seem to really like the sound of the SEAS excel drivers, so I wonder about replacing them with those… or something else that’s also more modern and might be more high-performance.

So what would be involved with that? What are the chances of improving the design by hot rodding it that way?

Would it be a hassle trying to find drivers that fit within the existing driver holes in that speaker?

Or is that something where it would make sense to have a speaker designer just copy the design, and expand whatever is needed to accommodate new drivers?

I would think copy the shape, because milling to fit different drivers is a PITA. OTOH, I would suspect a set of NHT xDS cabinets with a custom bass cabinet and 3-way active crossover might just get you there. They're less rounded-over than the Waveforms but not by that much. They use a Seas Excel W15 midwoofer (which you could upgrade to their "hexadym" neo-magnet magnesium model, or neo-magnet "Nextel" coned midrange) and a Seas tweeter. Original crossover was a DEQX-based box with amp modules from PowerPhysics (same platform as JL Audio's top line car audio amp).

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Speaking of which, I don't know if those have been on this thread. They're better looking than most of the speakers posted, especially in the black/brown above. The cream/burgundy is maybe more of an acquired taste.
 
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they came closer than any other loudspeaker to the “ disappearing and imaging” qualities
Generally speaking, properly designed and built loudspeakers tend to have that knack for 'disappearing' and creating a good stereo image. You might start to notice the sound coming directly from a speaker if you're standing very close, say within 50 centimetres of it. However, if you're sitting or standing about 2.5 metres away, you typically don't perceive the sound as originating from one speaker or the other. Instead, it seems to come from somewhere in between them, or even beyond them – sometimes off to the sides or further back than the speakers themselves, and occasionally even from above them.

This effect can be (or has been) achieved by companies that have invested heavily in research and development. These firms often produce in large quantities and don't charge exorbitant prices for their speakers. Consequently, as time goes on and people want to upgrade to newer systems, their older models become available second-hand at a bargain price.

Some other manufacturers seem to think that by building enormous, 'fridge-sized' cabinets and cramming in loads of drivers, they can achieve good sound – what they call 'hi-end' sound. But can they really? Perhaps they can persuade gullible people to part with their hard-earned cash, or maybe that money wasn't so hard-earned after all. ;)
 
The question is, what technical aspects of the Waveform Mach Solo gave them the subjective sound qualities that you heard/remember?

Whatever those aspects are, they would have to be preserved through any modifications.

And "technical aspects" could be things that would be regarded by most today as flaws, eg something like a BBC dip can sound good on solo instruments and/or voices, because it compensates for too-close miking (which is why the BBC had it in their speakers in the first place!).

Yes, I was aware of those issues in raising the sort of thought experiment question.

No guarantee that a different set of drivers and crossover would end up being as pleasing to me. But I think the overall design of the loudspeaker was very compelling, and contributed to the sonic presentation. By the way as far as measurements, Waveform was dedicated to very flat on axis frequency response and obsessed with well-controlled off axis response “ before it was cool “ :) There was one review back in the day where the Mach Solos where thoroughly measured and the measurements were absolutely superb, super flat across the frequency response and really well controlled off access behaviour. The guy who measured them said they were the best measuring speakers he had encountered. Unfortunately that review is no longer available online.


I would think copy the shape, because milling to fit different drivers is a PITA.

Yes, I was wondering about that.


OTOH, I would suspect a set of NHT xDS cabinets with a custom bass cabinet and 3-way active crossover might just get you there. They're less rounded-over than the Waveforms but not by that much. They use a Seas Excel W15 midwoofer (which you could upgrade to their "hexadym" neo-magnet magnesium model, or neo-magnet "Nextel" coned midrange) and a Seas tweeter.

Thanks, I’ve heard tons of different loud speakers like that. The Joseph Audio Pulsar seem somewhat similar to the above design and also use the Excel woofers that I love . But the Mach Solo still left quite an individual impression on me. I think that egg shaped mid tweeter module really paid dividends.
There was a sort of effortless “ disappearing” and imaging character to those speakers, practically no matter where you sat in the room. Similar to my MBL’s.


Generally speaking, properly designed and built loudspeakers tend to have that knack for 'disappearing' and creating a good stereo image.

Yup. I’ve always demanded excellent imaging and sound staging from my loudspeakers, and as much as a “ disappearing” act as can be managed.

So all of my loudspeakers do that really well.

The Mach Solos really had this “put it all together” quality - a disappearing act that came closer than usual to my MBL’s, but also a sense of power and effortless dynamics and a life-like presence - similar to what people tend to associate with horn speakers (even if that association is sometimes dubious).

That said, since there are so many different presentations and loudspeakers no speaker for me truly, does everything possible.

The two issues I had with the Mach Solos and why I didn’t keep them (aside from the fact I had just bought new loudspeakers) was that there could be a certain “dryness” to the sound, unless perhaps you controlled some room reflections a bit more. But also they lacked the last bit of sonic density and body.
A singer’s voice, for instance could be beamed into the room with astonishing vividness and precision, but it wouldn’t be quite as dense and corporeal as some other loudspeakers (for instance the Thiels I’ve owned).

I would still take my current loudspeakers over the Mach Solo. I LOVE whatever the SEAS drivers and sonotex tweeter seem to be doing in the Joseph speakers, which is one reason I sort of daydream about what those drivers might sound like in the Mach Solo.

But I recognize that everything you do changes something else. Certain drivers might not have the same axis performance, and of course required different moves in the crossover, etc. So it would be hard to keep the things I like constant and just “ make it better.”
 
Some people are never satisfied with what they have, so they are always on a quest for more. Most do not even consider that it might be the quality of their hearing, rather than the speakers. It is the brain that hears, not the ears; the ears are merely the instruments the brain uses to interpret what we "hear." Once the speakers have "broken in," the brain also adapts. Therefore, you may already have the best pair of speakers at home! Those who are constantly searching will never find a suitable pair of speakers for themselves, no matter how long they search.
 
Some people are never satisfied with what they have, so they are always on a quest for more. Most do not even consider that it might be the quality of their hearing, rather than the speakers. It is the brain that hears, not the ears; the ears are merely the instruments the brain uses to interpret what we "hear." Once the speakers have "broken in," the brain also adapts. Therefore, you may already have the best pair of speakers at home! Those who are constantly searching will never find a suitable pair of speakers for themselves, no matter how long they search.

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Ok, Lehka aside ( never proofed anything progressive but posting some images):
Of course you can re-arrange some enclosures if the drivers are same or wider than original.
But a thought comes up: why not design by 3D printing?
 

Reminds me of the Dunlavy Athena speakers which was Dunlavy’s attempt for a more decor-friendly version of their speakers. They sold a few of them just before they closed doors. I heard them and they were actually terrific. Contemplated buying a pair:

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Those who are constantly searching will never find a suitable pair of speakers for themselves, no matter how long they search.
I wonder about the listening and choosing ability of those who are constantly looking at-for something else.
I've only changed my main-stereo speakers a couple times in 50 years, mainly cause I moved and required a different type-style or
I needed something else to round out my surround Atmos setup. Somethings not right if you spend big money for your speakers
and are no longer happy with them in a year or two. ???
 
Interesting loudspeakers from Japan:

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Mine I bought over 20 years ago.
 

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Centre Piece speakers hung on the wall.
There's a counterbalance system to allow the user to change the position of the speakers. The glass bowls behind the drivers would deflect the "back wave" split by the ribs.
 
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