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NiagaraPete

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That's an interesting take. I find myself in the position of trying to choose something on Qobuz, only to give up and turn on Paradise Radio and let them entertain me.
 
I'd assumed it was maxed out already, waiting on some consolidation. Didn't read the article, tho.
 
That's an interesting take. I find myself in the position of trying to choose something on Qobuz, only to give up and turn on Paradise Radio and let them entertain me.
I pick a track on Apple Music and it continues with auto play. I find so much new and interesting stuff that way. Stuff I really like I’ll save in my yearly playlist. When I’m board I’ll review and try the artists album.
 
I find unlimited music not as interesting as I expected. Even the ability to use your tastes and find new music has become a large chore. Someone recently said in a thread they had ripped just over 3000 albums to a NAS. At 3650 you could listen to one whole album a day and not repeat for 10 years. A couple of friends had over 5000 album collections in vinyl. So compared to that streaming is better. It can even be hard to know if you have favorite music if you can play anything at anytime and with so many choices might not go back to hear it ever again after the initial play. I think that leads to the comment in the article that some people opine they don't even know what they like anymore.

I've read an article over a decade ago where an industry insider wrote how everything is supply and demand. Even in monetary terms that is based upon money as an exchange for opportunity costs. In music that is basically time limits your opportunities to hear music. With digital music you essentially have an infinite supply. A supply/demand curve with infinite supply results in a value of zero. Which also coincides with an infinite demand limited only by number of people and time. One of the reasons I don't think streaming can ever pay artists very much money. Even the top streaming artists that make the most money from it make more money from touring.

Another side effect collectively is with lowered cost to make music available there is less selectivity for quality.
 
I don't stream, unless something comes along I want to try.

Which is rare enough that YouTube is generally sufficient.

I still listen to the radio (remember those?) when in the car, usually WMNF, local, public supported, non-commercial, though decidedly left-wing community radio.
 
The good news about streaming music is that Edgelord Musk does not own a streaming music company. Yet.
 
I had a Tidal subscription (for a month) till I read some of Jay-Z's lyrics, then...


The straw that broke the back was a personal e-mail from Rihanna somebody, something about Bitch Better Have My Money.


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They got all conservative on the next email, for some unknown reason.



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I declined to continue.

That was six years ago.
 
I pick a track on Apple Music and it continues with auto play. I find so much new and interesting stuff that way. Stuff I really like I’ll save in my yearly playlist. When I’m board I’ll review and try the artists album.
I do that at bars and restaurants, sort of. When I hear something I like that they are streaming, I Shazam it. Find lots of new stuff that way.
 
I'm personally wondering if we'll see de-consolidation in the streaming music business over time, the way it's happening in streaming video.

Netflix used to be the only game in town and had basically all the content you'd want to watch. Now, we have HBO, Disney, Fox, Paramount, and some others with their own streaming services, with different content and tastes catered for by different services.

Today you have Spotify, Tidal, Amazon, and a few others. But there's little to no differentiation in terms of content. I wonder if over time we'll see a Jazz-oriented service, rock, EDM, etc. crop up.

In any case, my biggest wish is for more money to artists, less to labels and software companies...
 
I tend to listen to stations I've set up on Pandora. Lazy, maybe, but it works for us. When I hear something we like I just buy it on iTunes.
 
I find unlimited music not as interesting as I expected. Even the ability to use your tastes and find new music has become a large chore. Someone recently said in a thread they had ripped just over 3000 albums to a NAS. At 3650 you could listen to one whole album a day and not repeat for 10 years. A couple of friends had over 5000 album collections in vinyl. So compared to that streaming is better. It can even be hard to know if you have favorite music if you can play anything at anytime and with so many choices might not go back to hear it ever again after the initial play. I think that leads to the comment in the article that some people opine they don't even know what they like anymore.

I've read an article over a decade ago where an industry insider wrote how everything is supply and demand. Even in monetary terms that is based upon money as an exchange for opportunity costs. In music that is basically time limits your opportunities to hear music. With digital music you essentially have an infinite supply. A supply/demand curve with infinite supply results in a value of zero. Which also coincides with an infinite demand limited only by number of people and time. One of the reasons I don't think streaming can ever pay artists very much money. Even the top streaming artists that make the most money from it make more money from touring.

Another side effect collectively is with lowered cost to make music available there is less selectivity for quality.
A Music collection is like your personal Art Gallery when you do not qualify for the upper echelons of wealth and income. I do remember, often (OK, not always), the circumstances when I listened to the album first, with whom, and how it became, or it did not, one of the favorite mood enhancers of my days and evenings. I could wax cheap forgettable poetry about different Albums: yes, I do remember that cold November in 1976 when I purchased, with the only and last money I had in my wallet, the LP Selling England by the Pound, or when later, much later, I became the owner of the first Mahler's CDs box set directed by Haitink...I will spare you more. So, for my personal taste, Music should come from your collection, with a distant second an FM station like WCRB here in Massachusetts. And yes, a music server (vs. streamer, if the difference does exist and makes sense) is a modality to extend into the evanescence of Music the memories of your past and the enthusiasm about what (still) lies ahead through almost immediate access to each and every (transferred) CD of your collection. It allows to duplicate the collection rather easily, and for a fraction of the original cost, in each of the locations on the planet where you spend some quality time: the different rooms in your house, the portable music player, the visits to my beloved Engadine home. The additions to the collection usually come from direct experience at Symphony Hall, WCRB, The WSJ music page and web searches about composers and performers. Streaming is a very distant last option for me, as I usually can tell the lower quality of the source and the insufficient information about the recording, the players and the venue where the recording was made. And yes, I do agree in part with the comment about not knowing anymore what you like because the streaming service might trigger silly skimming through too many offers before you have time to let decant, listen again, and then listen once more to an Album or a Symphony recording.
 
On the classical side, Idagio’s auto-play is waaay ahead of Tidal, Qobuz, or Roon.

Qobuz has somewhat better search and selection than Tidal, but there are occasional royalty issues resulting in skipped/unavailable tracks (in the US).

Tidal is better integrated with Roon and no skipping tracks.

IDAGIO behaves a little erratically with streaming endpoints. Tidal and Qobuz do as well, but to a lesser extent.

Only Roon really has rock-solid endpoint behavior.

I pay for them all, but would love to consolidate.
 
My solution is also Roon.

It is the best of both worlds. All of my CDs and hi-rez downloads are easily managed on my NAS and they are seamlessly augmented by all that Qobuz and Tidal have to offer.

I listen to classical (mostly Baroque) during the day while working. I build playlists... not too happy with how "Roon Radio" handles classical. It does much better with rock and jazz.
 
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I'm personally wondering if we'll see de-consolidation in the streaming music business over time, the way it's happening in streaming video.

Netflix used to be the only game in town and had basically all the content you'd want to watch. Now, we have HBO, Disney, Fox, Paramount, and some others with their own streaming services, with different content and tastes catered for by different services.

Today you have Spotify, Tidal, Amazon, and a few others. But there's little to no differentiation in terms of content. I wonder if over time we'll see a Jazz-oriented service, rock, EDM, etc. crop up.

In any case, my biggest wish is for more money to artists, less to labels and software companies...
No I don't think so. Music is locked up almost fully by what three companies? In video, after Netflix got first movies from everywhere, you then had those companies see the value and all start their own thing. What has happened the last 18 months is more of a consolidation actually. Amazon and Netflix have spent money to create their own content, and there are at least a few other companies owning content. The movie business is different from music and creating your own content is easier in a sense.

While theoretically it is less expensive to create music content, to get enough notice to attract attention it pretty much all goes thru the small number of music companies that form an effective oligopoly. Universal, Sony and Warner have about 70% of the music market.
 
We are lucky to be able to pay for music streaming services with an unlimited catalog.
What do we miss?
May be an AI search tool.
A way to save and store our Playlist.
A similar catalog for live music with a multichannel soundtrack.
A "radio" mode that would simulate the old FM radios.

I am old enough to remember when I was going to the nearby vinyl shop: I am not nostalgic.
It is a new era that is starting: the economic parameters around it will be adjusted.
And Live music will not be replaced.
 
We are lucky to be able to pay for music streaming services with an unlimited catalog.
What do we miss?
May be an AI search tool.
A way to save and store our Playlist.
A similar catalog for live music with a multichannel soundtrack.
A "radio" mode that would simulate the old FM radios.

I am old enough to remember when I was going to the nearby vinyl shop: I am not nostalgic.
It is a new era that is starting: the economic parameters around it will be adjusted.
And Live music will not be replaced.
I don't know on the economic parameters. Record companies have given bad deals to most musicians for a hundred years at least. I remember reading Muddy Waters 1st contract with Leonard Chess paid Mr. Waters 1/2 a penny per 100 records sold. So a 100,000 sale Gold record would have paid Mr. Waters $500. And the Chess Brothers couldn't be counted on to give honest accounting even at those rates.

There was an unusual radio station when I was a teenager in my town. The owner played whatever he liked. It was more an AOR station than any other category, but there was plenty he didn't play if he didn't like it and plenty he played that didn't fit an AOR format if he did like it. It was by a wide, wide margin the best station I've ever heard. Of course if your taste was too different than his it wouldn't work. Oh, and no song was played more than once a day. So if I had an AI that could curate a play list with songs like that FM station owner could it would be great. One of things though where until you heard some of this you didn't know how well you'd like it.
 
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