Monoprice HTP1 vs Lyngdorf MP60 2.0

[MKR]

On the hunt for a new AVP and have narrowed it down to HTP1 vs MP60 2.0

I have access to a used MP60 for $7k, new HTP1 $4k … still a huge price delta, but not too far apart. I simply don’t have the cash for a new Lyngdorf (I have blown most of my budget on new speakers), but this used MP60 price starts to make the choice a bit more difficult. For those that have experience with one or the other, or both, any thoughts/opinions? Pros/cons?

Would especially appreciate opinions of @Mr. Widget , @GXAlan , @jhaider , @TimoJ , and @peng on this one

@Sal1950 You might find this conversation interesting

Thanks all!

 

[Madhuski]

does lyngdof allow the warranty to transfer? If not, I would go new HTP-1 without hesitaion.

If they did, I would still tend toward the HTP1 plus $3000 over the lyngdorf

 

[MKR]

does lyngdof allow the warranty to transfer? If not, I would go new HTP-1 without hesitaion.

If they did, I would still tend toward the HTP1 plus $3000 over the lyngdorf

Thanks … not sure on the warranty transfer, maybe @Mr. Widget can comment on that?

Outside of the cost delta, why would you go with HTP over MP60? My guess is you are anticipating ART will provide higher performance than RP?

 

[Madhuski]

Thanks … not sure on the warranty transfer, maybe @Mr. Widget can comment on that?

Outside of the cost delta, why would you go with HTP over MP60? My guess is you are anticipating ART will provide higher performance than RP?

I think all competently designed machines sound more alike than not, so the big difference between the two will be RP v. dorac, and I don’t think one will be better than the other - more like different flavors of chocolate.

I’ve had the mp60, altitiude, av60 and currently use an AV10. With my use (5.1.4 in a non dedicated room) i don’t think any was worlds better than the others

 

[jhaider]

On the hunt for a new AVP and have narrowed it down to HTP1 vs MP60 2.0

I have access to a used MP60 for $7k, new HTP1 $4k … still a huge price delta, but not too far apart. I simply don’t have the cash for a new Lyngdorf (I have blown most of my budget on new speakers), but this used MP60 price starts to make the choice a bit more difficult. For those that have experience with one or the other, or both, any thoughts/opinions? Pros/cons?

How important is loudness compensation for you: HTP-1 is the answer if it's useful.

How many subs are you running? If more than 2, then HTP-1.

Are looks important? Then Lyngdorf.

Do you prefer to tweak by PEQ bands or drawing a target curve? RoomPerfect's "voicings" are PEQ only, HTP-1 offers both.

Both now offer PEQ "preconditioning" + room correction.

I've used both and like both. Lyngdorf with loudness compensation would've been a closer call for me.

 

[mglobe]

How important is loudness compensation for you: HTP-1 is the answer if it's useful.

How many subs are you running? If more than 2, then HTP-1.

Are looks important? Then Lyngdorf.

Do you prefer to tweak by PEQ bands or drawing a target curve? RoomPerfect's "voicings" are PEQ only, HTP-1 offers both.

Both now offer PEQ "preconditioning" + room correction.

I've used both and like both. Lyngdorf with loudness compensation would've been a closer call for me.

All good points. I wonder about user experience/interface between the two choices also.

 

[jhaider]

All good points. I wonder about user experience/interface between the two choices also.

IMO both are good. The stock HTP-1 UI has some oddities (PEQ is not configured well IMO - by channel instead of bands 1-whatever per channel) but the “Pinksoda” alternate UI is great. Lyngdorf is prettier. If you’re like me, after it’s set up you’ll never touch anything but power and volume though.

Lyngdorf also has a new iOS app that’s pretty slick. Never used it with MP60 but works well with 1120

 

[Everett T]

What are the rest of the components consisting of? The Langdorf will have the easier setup of the two concerning RC and they may or may not be important based on the the two, I'd prefer the Lyngdorf personality, but If you're familiar with DIRAC and like to tweak that may not matter but opens up other possibilities of gear like used Marantz AV10, Storm Audio, and the Focal Astral.

 

[MKR]

I think all competently designed machines sound more alike than not, so the big difference between the two will be RP v. dorac, and I don’t think one will be better than the other - more like different flavors of chocolate.

I’ve had the mp60, altitiude, av60 and currently use an AV10. With my use (5.1.4 in a non dedicated room) i don’t think any was worlds better than the others

Thanks … wow, you have certainly had experience with most of the top players! I am surprised that after the MP60 and Altitude you ended up with the AV10. I can see going from MP60 to Trinnov or vice-versa, but not to the AV10 which seems a step backwards, at least as far as room correction is concerned (and with no ART yet as far as I know). What led to that decision?

 

[Madhuski]

Thanks … wow, you have certainly had experience with most of the top players! I am surprised that after the MP60 and Altitude you ended up with the AV10. I can see going from MP60 to Trinnov or vice-versa, but not to the AV10 which seems a step backwards, at least as far as room correction is concerned (and with no ART yet as far as I know). What led to that decision?

I had an Alcons based setup with a Trinnov, professionally calibrated. For me, that was as end game as it was going to get (https://www.alconsaudio.com/seamless-bubble-of-sound-experience-in-tv-room-minneapolis/).

I happened upon a good deal on an AV10 so gave it a try. I thought the av10 autoeq was close enough to the trinnov. My family couldn’t tell a differrence. So, I sold the trinnov and went AV10.

I since sold the Alcons (fun fact: Peter Freedman of Rode mics was the buyer) and tried a few other setups.

 

[MKR]

I had an Alcons based setup with a Trinnov, professionally calibrated. For me, that was as end game as it was going to get (https://www.alconsaudio.com/seamless-bubble-of-sound-experience-in-tv-room-minneapolis/).

I happened upon a good deal on an AV10 so gave it a try. I thought the av10 autoeq was close enough to the trinnov. My family couldn’t tell a differrence. So, I sold the trinnov and went AV10.

I since sold the Alcons (fun fact: Peter Freedman of Rode mics was the buyer) and tried a few other setups.

Thanks, interesting. My feeling with Trinnov (and Storm) is they are very good for very large complex theater systems. But for folks with more normal rooms, seems the new crop of “lower” cost AVPs works for most, like the AV10 (lower cost is certainly relative, we are still talking multi $k pricing here)

Was the sound really that much better MP60 to Trinnov ? Did you hear the MP60 with the Alcons? Ever have a chance to use the HTP1?

 

[Madhuski]

Thanks, interesting. My feeling with Trinnov (and Storm) is they are very good for very large complex theater systems. But for folks with more normal rooms, seems the new crop of “lower” cost AVPs works for most, like the AV10 (lower cost is certainly relative, we are still talking multi $k pricing here)

Was the sound really that much better MP60 to Trinnov ? Did you hear the MP60 with the Alcons? Ever have a chance to use the HTP1?

I never got a chance to use rhe MP60 with the Alcons. I was doing a Revel Be based setup with them.

but, my guess is unless you have one of those large channel dedicated rooms, all these that have good room correction and are well
designed will be difficult to tell apart in a bling test.

If it were me, I’d pick the one that has the features I want at the lowest cost, and pocket the change.

I never listened to a HTP-1; by the time that was released I had changed my remote to RTI, and rhe HTP did not have an IP module

 

[Mr. Widget]

Can't comment on the HTP-1. I have no experience with it.

As far as the Lyngdorf warranty, I am pretty sure if the suit was originally purchased through a dealer the warranty will be transferrable.

Regarding the number of subs that the Lyngdorf will support, It will support 5 individual subs, but they are part of your total 16 channel count. They use your assignable channels so if you want to go with a large ATMOS deployment (9.1.6), you will run out of channels.

 

[MKR]

How important is loudness compensation for you: HTP-1 is the answer if it's useful.

How many subs are you running? If more than 2, then HTP-1.

Are looks important? Then Lyngdorf.

Do you prefer to tweak by PEQ bands or drawing a target curve? RoomPerfect's "voicings" are PEQ only, HTP-1 offers both.

Both now offer PEQ "preconditioning" + room correction.

I've used both and like both. Lyngdorf with loudness compensation would've been a closer call for me.

Not sure if I need loudness compensation or not, never used it.

Will be running at least 3 subs. MP60 does not support more than 2x subs?

Looks not important. It’s a tool, not jewelry. I certainly would never pay $3k more for something that “looked” better. I actually think the HTP1 looks decent. But no, not as nice as the Lyngdorf.

As to PEQ, I can actually do that in the Hypex Fusion (active speakers), so don’t even need that in my AVP.

To ask differently, is there any reason to believe ART will have better performance than RoomPerfect (though irrelevant if they never release it in HTP1)

 

[Mr. Widget]

Will be running at least 3 subs. MP60 does not support more than 2x subs?

See my post above.

To ask differently, is there any reason to believe ART will have better performance than RoomPerfect (though irrelevant if they never release it in HTP1)

Theoretically ART should be able to give you better correction. In practice, I imagine it is room and system dependent.

 

[MKR]

Can't comment on the HTP-1. I have no experience with it.

As far as the Lyngdorf warranty, I am pretty sure if the suit was originally purchased through a dealer the warranty will be transferrable.

Regarding the number of subs that the Lyngdorf will support, It will support 5 individual subs, but they are part of your total 16 channel count. They use your assignable channels so if you want to go with a large ATMOS deployment (9.1.6), you will run out of channels.

Thanks … I will be running 9.1.4 at most …sorry , a correction … make that 5.4.4 (5x ear level, 4x subs, 4x heights)

 

[Mr. Widget]

Thanks … I will be running 9.1.4 at most

Then you could run three subs with the MP60.

In my small home theater I am running 5.1.2 with three subs. I'm in the process of moving to a larger space and will up it to 7.1.2. I really haven't heard much content that takes advantage of the wides.

 

[MKR]

What are the rest of the components consisting of? The Langdorf will have the easier setup of the two concerning RC and they may or may not be important based on the the two, I'd prefer the Lyngdorf personality, but If you're familiar with DIRAC and like to tweak that may not matter but opens up other possibilities of gear like used Marantz AV10, Storm Audio, and the Focal Astral.

Thanks … Active speakers (Hypex Fusion based) will arrive next 2 months or so, plus AVP (and a streamer if AVP does not support directly), and Nvidia shield … that’s it. Starting with 5.1, but eventually getting to 5.4.4 to support full small room Auro3D config

 

[Everett T]

Thanks … Active speakers (Hypex Fusion based) will arrive next 2 months or so, plus AVP (and a streamer if AVP does not support directly), and Nvidia shield … that’s it. Starting with 5.1, but eventually getting to 9.1.4 to support full small room Auro3D config

The wait is both exciting and annoying, lol. Good news is you should have plenty of AVP options to choose from by the time your speakers arrive. For me it would come down to being the best at taming frequencies below the room transition, as features seem to be very rich in the class of AVPs.

 

[mglobe]

I liked Dirac in my 2.2 system, but I could never quite tame the bass response in my room. I went to a Trinnov NOVA and with some help from the Trinnov folks, I now have a big step up from what I could accomplish with Dirac. Emphasis on what I could do though.

I know Trinnov isn’t in the equation here due to cost to support a multichannel application, so the comments on Trinnov are just a suggestion to look closely into what Room Perfect can offer. I’m intrigued by their approach of mapping out the room with a substantial number of measurements. Completely different way to do it than what Trinnov does it with their 3D Mic, but I think it might have a better chance of delivering a high quality result than the Monolith. Given the pricing you can get on the Lyngdorf, I’d be inclined to go that route first, with the idea that you could probably easily find a buyer for it if you’re not satisfied. My $.02, which is likely worth ~$.03.