MoFi Sourcepoint V10 Master Edition

[Richard G]

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Even more crazy, tweeter inside a upper mid, inside lover mid, inside woofer....
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BMS make several triaxials

 

[Audionaut]

BMS make several triaxials

Yes, and B&C recently followed suit

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[jetrep]

Does anyone know if the Mofi booth at Axpona will have the V10's there? The CAF show has just had their records the last two years

I went to AXPONA and these were some of the speakers I intended to hear at the show. Sadly I must report they were not demoing the 888 or the V10. In a large, busy room they had one of each of these speakers on display. The closest to a demo they had was the sourcepoint 8 or 10 (I don't recall which) but the setup was not good to the point of it offering no meaningful value.

 

[Marin]

I went to AXPONA and these were some of the speakers I intended to hear at the show. Sadly I must report they were not demoing the 888 or the V10. In a large, busy room they had one of each of these speakers on display. The closest to a demo they had was the sourcepoint 8 or 10 (I don't recall which) but the setup was not good to the point of it offering no meaningful value.

Well, they have been measured and can be found at spinorami.org...
I know the rule is always listen before you buy, but if that were the case, none of us would have a TV set
Not to mention that the conditions at these fairs are terrible, the rooms are bad, the speaker positions are bad, not to mention that you have to practically push yourself to get to any kind of "sweet spot"
The best thing we can do is listen to them from a friend who has them or a specialized audio store...
Is there anyone lucky enough to have this near me?

 

[Mart68]

the rooms are bad,

This always gets brought up about shows, like the architects who design hotels deliberatly make the rooms bad for acoustics.

How many domestic rooms are intrinsically good acoustically? That's where you're going to use the speakers, at home in a sub-optimal acoustic.

The main reason some systems are poor at shows is that the systems themselves are not that good. Mostly the fault of the speakers but I've heard turntables ruin a demo because of worn stylus or some sort of set up error. The exhibitors seemingly not noticing or caring.

 

[Marin]

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This always gets brought up about shows, like the architects who design hotels deliberatly make the rooms bad for acoustics.

How many domestic rooms are intrinsically good acoustically? That's where you're going to use the speakers, at home in a sub-optimal acoustic.

The main reason some systems are poor at shows is that the systems themselves are not that good. Mostly the fault of the speakers but I've heard turntables ruin a demo because of worn stylus or some sort of set up error. The exhibitors seemingly not noticing or caring.

Yes, you're right, I don't have a much better room (living room) either, but what I do have is proper positioning of the speaker with right toe in and distance of 2 metars between speakers and 2 and half from my head and and that's what you'll never have at AXPONA!

 

[JohnSnow]

The best thing we can do is listen to them from a friend who has them or a specialized audio store...
Is there anyone lucky enough to have this near me?

I'm in the Twin Cities, so if anyone wants to audition my V10's in a sub-optimal listening room, but at least a better environment than a busy showcase stuffed into a hotel room, hit me up.

 

[Mart68]

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Yes, you're right, I don't have a much better room (living room) either, but what I do have is proper positioning of the speaker with right toe in and distance of 2 metars between speakers and 2 and half from my head and and that's what you'll never have at AXPONA!

Well if it's anything like the show I go to you'll probably be sat in the third row behind a lot of large, bearded men.

Although for Mofi last year we had the room to ourselves and had some requests played. I could live with either of their tower speakers, no problem.

 

[Narek]

Why is the spinorama score so low on these and the 888s?

 

[kyuu]

Why is the spinorama score so low on these and the 888s?

What is a "spinorama score"? Are you referring to the Olive preference score? First, Sean Olive himself has said that people should really not focus much, if at all, on it.

Second, the 888 does not have a low score.

Third, the reasons why the 10 has a somewhat low score are pretty easy to spot:

On-axis isn't bad but certainly deviates from flat.

In-room response is probably the biggest reason: after 1.5kHz or so it doesn't trend down as it should.

Luckily, the directivity is pretty good so this is easily correctable with a simple treble shelf filter (score with EQ on Spinorama.org is 5.62, and most of that is probably just from the low Q filter in the treble).

 

[cavedriver]

What is a "spinorama score"? Are you referring to the Olive preference score? First, Sean Olive himself has said that people should really not focus much, if at all, on it.

Second, the 888 does not have a low score.

Third, the reasons why the 10 has a somewhat low score are pretty easy to spot:

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On-axis isn't bad but certainly deviates from flat.

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In-room response is probably the biggest reason: after 1.5kHz or so it doesn't trend down as it should.

Luckily, the directivity is pretty good so this is easily correctable with a simple treble shelf filter (score with EQ on Spinorama.org is 5.62, and most of that is probably just from the low Q filter in the treble).

That's the Sourcepoint 10, not the V10, but then when Narek asks about "these" having a low preference score, I wonder which speakers he's talking about since ASR hasn't measured the V10 (although Erin has)

 

[kyuu]

That's the Sourcepoint 10, not the V10, but then when Narek asks about "these" having a low preference score, I wonder which speakers he's talking about since ASR hasn't measured the V10 (although Erin has)

Ah you're right, I missed that. Though the preference score (according again to spinorama.org) is 4.82 for the V10, which isn't low even if it isn't the highest. That one doesn't seem to have the tipped up treble, but it also has some deviances from flat that would explain why the score isn't super high. I wouldn't let that deter anyone who is interested in it, as overall it's a pretty decent speaker.

 

[Narek]

What is a "spinorama score"? Are you referring to the Olive preference score? First, Sean Olive himself has said that people should really not focus much, if at all, on it.

Second, the 888 does not have a low score.

Third, the reasons why the 10 has a somewhat low score are pretty easy to spot:

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On-axis isn't bad but certainly deviates from flat.

View attachment 533695

In-room response is probably the biggest reason: after 1.5kHz or so it doesn't trend down as it should.

Luckily, the directivity is pretty good so this is easily correctable with a simple treble shelf filter (score with EQ on Spinorama.org is 5.62, and most of that is probably just from the low Q filter in the treble).

The score that shows a value with sub, and with eq and stand alone. Erin and others have rave reviews but its low on the ranking list... just a bit odd. It should be in the ascilab c8c territory but its not.

 

[Narek]

That's the Sourcepoint 10, not the V10, but then when Narek asks about "these" having a low preference score, I wonder which speakers he's talking about since ASR hasn't measured the V10 (although Erin has)

Im referring to the 888 and v10. Both oddly rank quite low compared to kef, ascilab and ascend acoustic.

 

[kyuu]

The score that shows a value with sub, and with eq and stand alone. Erin and others have rave reviews but its low on the ranking list... just a bit odd. It should be in the ascilab c8c territory but its not.

Ascilab's speakers are ruler flat and have textbook directivity and in-room response. The Mofi speakers are good, but their response is definitely not ruler flat.

It's not about what Erin or others think, the preference score has specific metrics that contribute and subjective reviews have zero part to play. But again, even the person who came up with the preference score does not think it's worth dwelling on. There are a lot of things about a speaker that it does not take into account (distortion, for example) and boiling spinorama and other results down to a single number is simply way too simplistic to properly capture a speaker's performance.

 

[dasherzx]

Why is the spinorama score so low on these and the 888s?

The 888 isn’t really low after filtering measurement quality to high and sorting them by the first two columns. Maybe lower at the w/both column but otherwise they’re among the top 1/4 of measured speakers. The v10s are lower but I doubt something like a kh80 will outperform it in many rooms

 

[Narek]

The 888 isn’t really low after filtering measurement quality to high and sorting them by the first two columns. Maybe lower at the w/both column but otherwise they’re among the top 1/4 of measured speakers. The v10s are lower but I doubt something like a kh80 will outperform it in many rooms

It's at the bottom of ascend, ascilab, genelec, Neumann, kef, whereas someone like Erin rates it in the top tier.

 

[Narek]

The 888 isn’t really low after filtering measurement quality to high and sorting them by the first two columns. Maybe lower at the w/both column but otherwise they’re among the top 1/4 of measured speakers. The v10s are lower but I doubt something like a kh80 will outperform it in many rooms

Nevermind, if you filter by floorstanders its got a decent ranking.