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MoFi SourcePoint 10 - Review & Measurements by Erin
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Regarding the Master Edition SourcePoint 10 Master Edition Upgrade Crossover Kit.
A $7 PEQ app ...
...fixes that easily as what a physical treble/tweeter switch does. PEQ, also with more flexibility and possibilities. BUT for those who don't want or can't fiddle with settings in the digital world, let's say hard core analog/physical medium vinyl/CD Hifi dudes , they might consider it worth around $300 to screw in an upgrade crossover? On the other hand, I'm guessing they might have some vintage amplifier/receiver with treble control so it's not really needed.
Maybe, as @Salt mentioned for those with tube amps who want a smooth impedance curve?
A $7 PEQ app ...
...fixes that easily as what a physical treble/tweeter switch does. PEQ, also with more flexibility and possibilities. BUT for those who don't want or can't fiddle with settings in the digital world, let's say hard core analog/physical medium vinyl/CD Hifi dudes , they might consider it worth around $300 to screw in an upgrade crossover? On the other hand, I'm guessing they might have some vintage amplifier/receiver with treble control so it's not really needed.
Maybe, as @Salt mentioned for those with tube amps who want a smooth impedance curve?
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And also MoFi didn't tell us, just gave us a bunch of audiophoolspeak.
Slopes are almost certainly the same. The crossover frequency might have been tweaked, but really should not have been if the original R&D for that particular coax driver and cabinet (which are unchanged) had been properly done.
Slopes are almost certainly the same. The crossover frequency might have been tweaked, but really should not have been if the original R&D for that particular coax driver and cabinet (which are unchanged) had been properly done.
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i dont really get the hate because they revised the speakers and even make the upgrade available for current customers. the dip switch clearly makes sense when you look at the measurements.
but i also think they just could have gone for an mk2 or something new. when you see the measurements, you would think that a 10inch driver and two ports could provide deeper bass in the sub region. i never had a chance to listen to the speakers, so i may be wrong about the bass. i also wonder how much difference there is to the sourcepoint 8. if i would be in for those speakers, i think i rather would get the 8inch version and pairing it with a sub.
but i also think they just could have gone for an mk2 or something new. when you see the measurements, you would think that a 10inch driver and two ports could provide deeper bass in the sub region. i never had a chance to listen to the speakers, so i may be wrong about the bass. i also wonder how much difference there is to the sourcepoint 8. if i would be in for those speakers, i think i rather would get the 8inch version and pairing it with a sub.
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The driver is designed so that it moves a little less to better handle being a waveguide. Hence, no cone flapping 25Hz like a regular soft sprung woofer
No hate on my part and for the most part seems other comments are pretty much constructive criticism as well. When a solution lacks value due to good alternatives or a lack of clearly defined benefits, discussing options objectively is helpful for those who are considering a purchase.
As for the switch, something embedded would have been better than a toggle switch. Exposed toggle switches are easy to accidentally move when wires or other things brush by them.
If you don't like new optional xover, don't buy it. I think it is a good service offered by MoFi to current SP10 owners. Rather than having to sell their current SP10s and buy the new SP10ME MoFi is providing an upgrade path at a reasonable price. I don't understand the negativity. Nobody is being forced to upgrade. Some people just love to complain.
Agreed, I doubt the slopes or corner frequencies were changed much if at all.
However I do believe that the tweeter level switch is a worthwhile upgrade, it provides a bit of flexibility for toe-in.
Clearly not everyone owns and so is free for us to poke at the upgrade. The real test is for the owners.
See you have a pair. Are you going to upgrade or not?
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You did not ask me but I 'bought" into it and already received the shipment.
What I don't understand is that MoFi provides two (2) foam-plugs for the ports but there are a total of four (4) ports (L+R).
Argh, there are also two (2) different hex wrenches included in the package... Like a DIYer really needs more crappy hex wrenches.
@Post# 77, @Maiky76 was gracious enough to post the EQ settings for the MoFi SourcePoint10s but those were before the MasterEdition' (ME) new x-over mod.
I don't know if I can convince Erin/yt to follow-thru and see what the differences are between pre-ME and post-ME mod, which may result in an update to the EQ (pre-ME).
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I can’t argue with your statement about not buying it. And typically I have no problem with a manufacturer offering an upgrade to an outdated product that has been in the market for awhile. But this product just got released a year ago. And the new crossover seems designed to fix a flaw that was exposed in measurements. I guess that’s an upgrade? I suppose if I was an owner, like yourself, my hope would be they’d offer the crossover for cost. You paid for top of the line, why wouldn’t you want it to be the best it can be? At this point you’ve spent thousands, so what’s a few bucks more right? But that’s my problem with it. It plays off audiophile FOMO.
I suppose I have to give MoFi credit for publishing a video on how to do it yourself, rather than making people send them back and pay for a technician to do it. I wonder if they will honor their warranty if somebody screws up trying to install it? Most people are not as comfortable as some ASR members busting into their $4k speakers.
I guess in this day of people upgrading their iPhone every 8 months for a feature they don’t need it’s not even out of the ordinary. And I don’t hate MoFi or Andrew Jones btw. I was rooting for them.
As you indicate, no need to ask but thanks for sharing. 
Could speculate but does seem odd and so really is a question for MoFi. As have stated before, port plugs are less than ideal as they can have a major impact on bass. Might consider if I did not have better active crossover/eq options to apply first. Seems like a major hack to me. How consistently can you apply them and how do they hold up over time?What I don't understand is that MoFi provides two (2) foam-plugs for the ports but there are a total of four (4) ports (L+R).
Did you try? Did Erin use?
Argh, there are also two (2) different hex wrenches included in the package... Like a DIYer really needs more crappy hex wrenches.
@Post# 77, @Maiky76 was gracious enough to post the EQ settings for the MoFi SourcePoint10s but those were before the MasterEdition' (ME) new x-over mod.
I don't know if I can convince Erin/yt to follow-thru and see what the differences are between pre-ME and post-ME mod, which may result in an update to the EQ (pre-ME).
Do not have all the details ofc, but do know the original design would respond well to eq. This was my main critique of the upgrade. Unless there is something else not being shared, I would not be prying into my new speaker and would apply eq. I respect that others may feel differently...
In any case, whenever I work on precious drivers, I use a power screwdriver, keep my grip even and shield the surround with my free hand. Nothing worse than spoiling any upgrade with mechanical damage to a driver. Am sure any experienced DIYer has similar sentiments. My upgrade kit would include a plastic guard to protect the driver from any errant tool movement by less steady hands.
I think the background to this is probably the most interesting thing here, this is a small gap between release and upgrade. My memory is that on release there were a lot of comments about the top end being too much, before the measurements came out and confirmed it. If the flaw was that obvious why was it released like that, for what should be a simple tweak to the crossover. My guess is the top end lift was encouraged by someone outside the engineering dept.
Maybe the released design was not perfect (as never would with speakers), what has come up after release from several sources.
The path to go for this was, for decades, the Mark II or ME or whatever design.
Just buy again and be happy.
I very appreciate the way of Mofi to not play this game but offer a sufficient correction at the right place without having to substitute the whole speaker.
Sustainability and 'The Right To Repair' comes to mind.
The path to go for this was, for decades, the Mark II or ME or whatever design.
Just buy again and be happy.
I very appreciate the way of Mofi to not play this game but offer a sufficient correction at the right place without having to substitute the whole speaker.
Sustainability and 'The Right To Repair' comes to mind.
Well stated. I was mainly staying in the technical domain but you make some good commercial points as well. It is a solid performing speaker, but does not mean there is no room for improvement. Like you, overall I like these MoFi speakers. However…
In both cases, the solution needs to fit the problem. This upgrade has some questionable aspects in both regards (technically and commercially). Nothing that might not be readily resolved with some website FAQs and/or a good data sheet.
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I wanted to correct a misstatement in your reply. You said "But this product just got released a year ago." This is incorrect it was released over 2 1/2 years ago.
