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miniDSP Tide16 - Holy Grail with 16 Channel Atmos/DTS:X, high SINAD

Well my APR16 has been at Amir’s for 10 days now, no Dirac yet, but we may have Amir’s test results a few weeks from now.. Hope you all have better luck on Dirac with Tide16. It will be very interesting to see how these two compare
 
I presume no one has a Tide 16 in their hands yet? I want to know if the 12v trigger in overrides everything else or if it still possible to turn the unit on and off using the remote then the trigger is connected and is low?
 
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I'm on the bandwagon and looking forward to improving my 5.1 diraclive HTx, which was a pain in the ass to get the bass dialed in.
 
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I'm on the bandwagon and looking forward to improving my 5.1 diraclive HTx, which was a pain in the ass to get the bass dialed in.
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You have a 5.1 setup to envy. I could imagine Dirac ART could do wonders with your Genelecs as all of your speakers can be used as supporting speakers if needed.

Edit: Looking more closely it seems it is the other setup you'd use the Tide16 for.
 
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PGAMiami said:
Well my APR16 has been at Amir’s for 10 days now, no Dirac yet, but we may have Amir’s test results a few weeks from now.. Hope you all have better luck on Dirac with Tide16. It will be very interesting to see how these two compare
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What do you mean no Dirac yet? If hasn’t been implemented yet?
 
would be swell if the analog outputs could be configured to become digital aes outputs. i wonder if such a topology is even possible engineering-wise.
 
dasherzx said:
would be swell if the analog outputs could be configured to become digital aes outputs. i wonder if such a topology is even possible engineering-wise.
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Not a snowball's chance in hell.

Nice idea though.
 
Its so sad that it has only 48kHz internal Processing Frequency and no FIR Filter aviable for now!
I would realy need this device without all that Dolby stuff that already done by my Panasonic Blueray but FIR Filter and 96kHz internal Processing would be more Important for me Also Dirac don't need (optional would be ok)
So i need to stay with my CamillaDSP Setup (Raspberry 5) and 2 MOTU Ultralite devices for 16 Channels TRS Outs thats cost only half the Price LOL
Any day may be the MOTU AO24 with the new Design will be aviable than i go for it ;) 7.1 Input from Blueray is also enough for me and than handle all Outpts for an full aktiv Speaker Setup 7x 2 Way + 2x SUBS
 
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I guess we will know when someone gets a Tide16. I was expecting Dirac fully certified and working on the APR16 given how prominently it’s displayed on their website and the 2025 YouTube interviews, but my unit arrived and Dirac is still “coming soon” with no ETA.
 
I’m very tempted to purchase the Tide16 mainly so I can simplify my setup and potentially replace my AVR-X3700H and Flex HTx. Reading through the Tide16 manual got me thinking more carefully about where bass management and LFE summing actually occur.

My current setup is a Denon AVR-X3700H feeding a miniDSP Flex HTx. On the Denon, my bed channels are configured Large and subwoofer is set to None, while Atmos remains Small. Based on REW testing, the Denon is clearly folding LFE and redirected bass back into the full-range bed channels before output. The Flex HTx then becomes the actual bass-management engine downstream, where I manually redistribute bass using the matrix mixer, delays, polarity, low-pass filters, and weighted routing into dual subs. LPF for LFE is still handled by the Denon before the signal ever reaches the Flex HTx.

Due to Flex HTx channel limitations, my Atmos channels currently bypass the Flex HTx entirely and are driven directly from the Denon height outputs into amplification, so one additional benefit of the Tide16 would be finally bringing the Atmos channels into the same DSP/control domain as the rest of the system instead of running two separate processing paths.

Looking at the Tide16 signal flow, it seems much more explicit about where these stages occur. With custom bass management, the signal appears to go through bass management before LFE/dialog gain, Dirac, the 16x16 matrix mixer, and then output DSP. Once DLBM, DLBC, or ART is enabled, the manual says custom bass management is disabled and bass management is handled inside the Dirac block.

That made me curious how Tide16 internally handles the relationship between redirected bass, discrete LFE, matrix routing, and ART speaker-support processing compared with a more traditional AVR architecture or an external DSP setup like mine.

What I still cannot fully tell from the manual is where the actual LFE LPF occurs once ART is active, whether redirected bass and discrete LFE remain separate internally or become unified before support processing, and where final summation actually happens.
 
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What I still cannot fully tell from the manual is where the actual LFE LPF occurs once ART is active, whether redirected bass and discrete LFE remain separate internally or become unified before support processing, and where final summation actually happens.
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ART has a different approach on the frequency handling - picked this up from Storm Audio’s material:

”ART is neither a cross-over technology nor any form of traditional bass management as you’re probably used to, it works differently.
The signal isn’t simply cut in two parts and spread between a speaker and the subwoofers as with Bass Control or a crossover. The signal is spread over the speakers and its supporting speakers to achieve a targeted direct path, phase, magnitude response and room reflections removal.”

Storm Audio - the Storm Audio’s materials are worth checking out more closely on how to deal with ART.
 
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