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miniDSP Tide16 - Holy Grail with 16 Channel Atmos/DTS:X, high SINAD

Just one mono fed subs channel can be split to multiple enclosure, so long as placed exactly equidistant from MLP and tested to help rather than hurt room modes
 
john61ct said:
Just one mono fed subs channel can be split to multiple enclosure, so long as placed exactly equidistant from MLP and tested to help rather than hurt room modes
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But that could also hinder ART performance.
 
thcdru2k said:

It allows 4 independently controlled (dirac ART). Manually you can have up to 16 if you wanted.
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According to miniDSP, the max SWs allowed is 4.

Based on this info, the Tide16 would exceed the total ATMOS capability of the Denon 3800/4800 (Cinema 50/40) but not the 6800 (Cinema 30).

Tide16 questions

That question is most likely on the ever growing list of FAQs hopefully to be answered at the support portal. As if the support staff’s job wasn’t already onerous enough, perhaps a lengthier or more easily accessible index there could reduce repetitive questions here?
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thcdru2k said:
I believe you can have more than 4 subs by defining 4 sub channels, optimizing them with Dirac, and then using the matrix to duplicate and route those channels to additional outputs, though those additional subs are not independently optimized. Another option is to treat certain subs as low frequency extensions of the main speakers, but that requires careful integration and operates outside of the Dirac subwoofer system. But yeah in practice more than 4 would not sound good if jerry rigged
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I don't see a world where Dirac would allow that to happen.

Hence the paradoxical nature of this product: miniDSP users are used to max flexibility while Dirac wants control of everything.
 
EWL5 said:
I don't see a world where Dirac would allow that to happen.

Hence the paradoxical nature of this product: miniDSP users are used to max flexibility while Dirac wants control of everything.
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I see ... I think you are right. So Dirac ART would basically disable minidsp device console panels. I think that makes the product make less sense for certain setups. I can see people preferring two Flex HTx over a single Tide 16. Or just avoiding Dirac ART all together.
 
EWL5 said:
I don't see a world where Dirac would allow that to happen.

Hence the paradoxical nature of this product: miniDSP users are used to max flexibility while Dirac wants control of everything.
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Never looked into detail, but think that with Storm you can have as many subs as your heart desires even with ART? So theoretically possible, but mini might have taken a different approach. After all price to flexibility ratio is (thankfully) different than with Storm.
 
john61ct said:
Only enable it after Art is all set?
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As noted, that would mess up entire ART setup. Not only for subs but for each and every channel.

ART is to be used how Dirac intended. There are many manual methods to get decent bass performance if one has few months to spare...
 
peng said:
Another example of inaccuracy (until proven with evidence that contradicts miniDSP's website info) is that whoever that reviewer is, claimed "The XLR's are single ended and not end to end balanced." whereas miniDSP website stated:
  • Outputs: 16 fully balanced audio (XLR)
so to say it isn't "end to end" might be correct (not sure about that if the L/R XLR analog inputs are used), but to say "..are single ended.." is not accurate.
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Of course it can’t be end to end balanced. That is terminology which only means something in the analog domain. The reviewer doesn’t know what he is talking about. Why can’t it be end to end balanced? It is digitized in the middle. It is kindof in the DSP name. What would he be expecting - separate digital processing for the differential non-inverting and inverting signals? That would be a waste of math processing power for nothing. There is no digital format I am aware of which includes a two digital bitstreams for non-inverting and inverting data. And the DAC already takes an internal 32-bit (single) signal and outputs it as a differential pair.
 
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C1aud3 said:
Looks like the manual is finally out: https://docs.minidsp.com/product-manuals/tide16/index.html
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Having read through the following things stand out:

HDMI CEC is always on and not configurable, since you have to have CEC on on most TVs to get ARC to work you end up in the situation where if you turn the Tide 16 on the TV comes on. This is exactly what a poster up thread feared would be implemented. What they (and I) want is the entire system to come on if the TV is turned on but not for the TV to come on if the AVP is brought out of standby just to play music.

You can’t configure what is displayed on the screen although unlike some makes you can configure how long after a user interaction it simply blanks out.
 
chelgrian said:
Having read through the following things stand out:

HDMI CEC is always on and not configurable, since you have to have CEC on on most TVs to get ARC to work you end up in the situation where if you turn the Tide 16 on the TV comes on. This is exactly what a poster up thread feared would be implemented. What they (and I) want is the entire system to come on if the TV is turned on but not for the TV to come on if the AVP is brought out of standby just to play music.

You can’t configure what is displayed on the screen although unlike some makes you can configure how long after a user interaction it simply blanks out.
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That’s good to know. When you say that CEC needs to be enabled to get ARC to work on most TVs, does it also include eARC? I have a LG G4 tv and am wondering if that applies to me.
 
Just finished reading the manual, the documentation here is a noticeable step up from the earlier revisions for the Flex that I had to follow, very nice.

Also, 20band PEQ.
 
I won't be reading the manual as I have no interest in this product other than to steer folks in the right direction based on features. Anyone know if Dirac has locked down quite a bit of things post-Dirac (I wouldn't compare against the uber-expensive Storm products)?
 
Darkatomz said:
Just finished reading the manual, the documentation here is a noticeable step up from the earlier revisions for the Flex that I had to follow, very nice.

Also, 20band PEQ.
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None on the input side, that might be on the future upgrade/update wish list??
 
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