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miniDSP Tide16 - Holy Grail with 16 Channel Atmos/DTS:X, high SINAD

chelgrian said:
They have already said that they have concentrated on a rock solid implementation which meets the needs of Film and streaming which do not need 2.1 features which are considerably more difficult to implement. Then they will come back to 2.1 in the future.
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I understand but I’m not that interested in the why. I’m not saying they did anything wrong, just that I may wait as I’m not in that much of a hurry besides my impatience.
 
Lsc said:
I agree that thisis the biggest bummer for me as well. They would need to develop a new HDMI board that supports 2.1. This may be a hardware issue vs a licensing issue.
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I really only have the PS5 Pro and a PC with a 5090 that uses HDMI 2.1 so I guess I could just connect those directly to the TV instead of the Tide16. My main media player (Zidoo Z9X 8K) doesn’t require HDMI 2.1 to watch 4K DV content.
 
monsterlag said:
I really only have the PS5 Pro and a PC with a 5090 that uses HDMI 2.1 so I guess I could just connect those directly to the TV instead of the Tide16. My main media player (Zidoo Z9X 8K) doesn’t require HDMI 2.1 to watch 4K DV content.
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This is the thing current TVs tend to have 4 2.1 ports with one eARC capable. The number of people who actually have more than three devices that need the new features is so small that it’s possible that minidsp will eventually conclude that it’s not worth addressing the market. I guess it depends on how well the current Tide 16 sells.
 
chelgrian said:
This is the thing current TVs tend to have 4 2.1 ports with one eARC capable. The number of people who actually have more than three devices that need the new features is so small that it’s possible that minidsp will eventually conclude that it’s not worth addressing the market. I guess it depends on how well the current Tide 16 sells.
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If you use the TVs 3 hdmi 2.1 ports for the “video priority” sources, the 3 hdmi ports on the Tide16 for “audio priority” sources and connect the TV to the Tide16 on the eARC port, then you have 6 inputs and can handle most anything, no?
 
PGAMiami said:
If you use the TVs 3 hdmi 2.1 ports for the “video priority” sources, the 3 hdmi ports on the Tide16 for “audio priority” sources and connect the TV to the Tide16 on the eARC port, then you have 6 inputs and can handle most anything, no?
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The only config where more ports on the Tide 16 might be really useful is if you have an older HDMI 2.0 TV which can only do EAC3 over ARC and you have more than three video sources that want LPCM8 or MAT2.

I’m sort of in that situation but the 4th input I want I would use sufficiently rarely that swapping HDMI cables is acceptable.
 
chelgrian said:
The only config where more ports on the Tide 16 might be really useful is if you have an older HDMI 2.0 TV which can only do EAC3 over ARC and you have more than three video sources that want LPCM8 or MAT2.

I’m sort of in that situation but the 4th input I want I would use sufficiently rarely that swapping HDMI cables is acceptable.
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I am sorry but who is spending $4000 on a receiver like this without having a good TV?
 
monsterlag said:
I am sorry but who is spending $4000 on a receiver like this without having a good TV?
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Me and I have a ‘good’ TV.

I have a Sony ZD9 which is perfectly good for UHD video content and I do not need to replace. However it can only do HDMI 2 and ARC which is perfectly fine for 4:2:2 4K video from UHD Blu-ray. It’s still fine for streaming since ARC can do EAC3 and streaming video only uses EAC3.

However currently I’m using a geologically ancient AudioLab 8000AP this works because I have a Panasonic UB820 which has dual HDMI outs and an decode to LPCM and I have an rPI5 doing a similar job running LibreElec again with dual HDMI outs one connected to the TV and one connected to the AudioLab.

Audio from the TV is connected back using optical which limits it to AC3 rather than EAC3.

The Tide 16 is ideal as it’s:
- Small, I simply do not have room in my equipment rack for the Marantz products.
- Doesn’t have any extraneous analogue video or built in audio streaming platforms I don’t want.
- Has all the Dirac stuff built in which is extra cost on other AVPs.
- Gives me ARC for EAC3 from the TV
- Gives me inputs for UHD Blu-ray, RPI5 and an Apple TV which can handle MAT2 for everything up to Atmos.

I admit that this may be a Total Addressable Market of 1 ie me but assuming it works properly this thing is ideal for me.
 
chelgrian said:
Me and I have a ‘good’ TV.

I have a Sony ZD9 which is perfectly good for UHD video content and I do not need to replace. However it can only do HDMI 2 and ARC which is perfectly fine for 4:2:2 4K video from UHD Blu-ray. It’s still fine for streaming since ARC can do EAC3 and streaming video only uses EAC3.

However currently I’m using a geologically ancient AudioLab 8000AP this works because I have a Panasonic UB820 which has dual HDMI outs and an decode to LPCM and I have an rPI5 doing a similar job running LibreElec again with dual HDMI outs one connected to the TV and one connected to the AudioLab.

Audio from the TV is connected back using optical which limits it to AC3 rather than EAC3.

The Tide 16 is ideal as it’s:
- Small, I simply do not have room in my equipment rack for the Marantz products.
- Doesn’t have any extraneous analogue video or built in audio streaming platforms I don’t want.
- Has all the Dirac stuff built in which is extra cost on other AVPs.
- Gives me ARC for EAC3 from the TV
- Gives me inputs for UHD Blu-ray, RPI5 and an Apple TV which can handle MAT2 for everything up to Atmos.

I admit that this may be a Total Addressable Market of 1 ie me but assuming it works properly this thing is ideal for me.
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A good 77 inch OLED TV is going for like $1500 right now in the US.
 
Here, in my little European home, I have a 120" UST projector.
I'm not "everyone"... ;)
 

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HDMI 2.0? DOA.

Why is no manufacturer willing to engineer the WHOLE package where a device has it all? I wouldn't mind paying 5k+ for processor that has everything but EVERYTIME the specs of such devices read like the holy grail just to be sprinkled with something like:

"main output only 1v output for your safety"

or some similar BS.

Then they're surprised as to why they're a niche product of niche products.
 
anphex said:
I wouldn't mind paying 5k+ for processor that has everything
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Such devices do exist. Just expect to pay significantly more than 5k.

Out of curiosity, what do you need more than 18Gb/s HDMI for? The Tide16 already supports HDMI 2.1 with VRR and eARC.

anphex said:
"main output only 1v output for your safety"
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Where did you read that? Tide16 output voltage is 4Vrms. Or was that comment not referring to the Tide16?
 
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anphex said:
Why is no manufacturer willing to engineer the WHOLE package where a device has it all? I wouldn't mind paying 5k+ for processor that has everything but EVERYTIME the specs of such devices read like the holy grail just to be sprinkled with something like:
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Just get a Marantz AV10 and be happy.
 
anphex said:
HDMI 2.0? DOA.

Why is no manufacturer willing to engineer the WHOLE package where a device has it all? I wouldn't mind paying 5k+ for processor that has everything but EVERYTIME the specs of such devices read like the holy grail just to be sprinkled with something like:
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May be because many more people don't want to pay for things they don't need and would never use? To manufacturers, their main goal is to sell more, and obviously, at highest possible profit margin.
 
welwynnick said:
Just get a Marantz AV10 and be happy.
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Really? I thought they know they can't keep them all happy, some (probably you included;)) might say the there isn't higher maximum filter tap limit for ART, wish it wouldn't limit (or downsample to) sampling rate to 48 kHz when RC (Audyssey or DL) is in use, couldn't play DSD native up to 512 or even 1028 etc. etc. etc., and/or also 115 dB SINAD....., so AV10 is probably not the answer either, and the AV9 might get closer.:D
 
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peng said:
Really? I thought they know they can't keep them all happy, some (probably you included;)) might say the there isn't higher maximum filter tap limit for ART, wish it wouldn't limit (or downsample to) sampling rate to 48 kHz when RC (Audyssey or DL) is in use, couldn't play DSD native up to 512 or even 1028 etc. etc. etc., and/or also 115 dB SINAD....., so AV10 is probably not the answer either, and the AV9 might get closer.:D
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I'm the last person to disagree with any of that, of course. The AV10 isn't for me (and the AMP10 certainly isn't), but it probably is for a lot of people.
This thread is about the Tide16, and personally I think it's going to clean up.
However, for those who really do want everything, there's always the Hyperion. If that's as good as we hope, it'll be difficult to justify wanting or spending any more.
 
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