miniDSP Tide16 - Holy Grail with 16 Channel Atmos/DTS:X, high SINAD

[Paffi]

Auro3D and an digital output would be the cherry on the cake. Nevertheless exciting.

 

[pat355]

Auro3D and a digital output would be the cherry on the cake. Nevertheless exciting.

Why did they make the choice to not include a digital out? Would that not make sense for such a product ?

 

[TimoJ]

Over at the AVS Forum, a beta tester reports that it has HDMI 2.1
There are also some internal pictures. Seems to have modular 8 channel output cards.

 

[Keith_W]

Add analog-out so that passive speakers can be covered as well, and that would be my dream.

Eh? It has 16 analog outputs?

 

[Darkatomz]

Eh? It has 16 analog outputs?

I meant support for bare wire or banana plug inserts similar to how AVRs do it.

Looks like those modular boards were fabbed 4/24, wonder why it took almost two years to go to production. Either way, that does mean they can make a MiniDSP Tide8 pretty easily if they wanted to.

 

[ShadowFiend]

I meant support for bare wire or banana plug inserts similar to how AVRs do it.

Looks like those modular boards were fabbed 4/24, wonder why it took almost two years to go to production. Either way, that does mean they can make a MiniDSP Tide8 pretty easily if they wanted to.

They are surround processor, not an AVR. A bulky AVR at potentially 6K-8K USD IMHO is not a great prospect product as there are many competitors in that price ranges.
A surround processor with killer feature and decent price like this will be more appropriate for wide variety of customers. Customers can buy 8 Aiyama amplifier to power 16 channel for just 1600$ or they can use their more expensive and/or better amplifiers.

If you want amplifier, they have an 8 channel Amp for your need.

AMP-8

The miniDSP AMP-8 is an 8-channel power amplifier designed for home theater, immersive audio, and multizone setups. It stands out due to its remarkable power-to-size ratio and high efficiency. Utilizing ICEpower® amplifier modules, the AMP-8 delivers 300 Watts per channel at 4 ohms and 200 Watts...

www.minidsp.com

 

[Darkatomz]

They are surround processor, not an AVR. A bulky AVR at potentially 6K-8K USD IMHO is not a great prospect product as there are many competitors in that price ranges.
A surround processor with killer feature and decent price like this will be more appropriate for wide variety of customers. Customers can buy 8 Aiyama amplifier to power 16 channel for just 1600$ or they can use their more expensive and/or better amplifiers.

If you want amplifier, they have an 8 channel Amp for your need.

AMP-8

The miniDSP AMP-8 is an 8-channel power amplifier designed for home theater, immersive audio, and multizone setups. It stands out due to its remarkable power-to-size ratio and high efficiency. Utilizing ICEpower® amplifier modules, the AMP-8 delivers 300 Watts per channel at 4 ohms and 200 Watts...

www.minidsp.com

Honestly wasn't even aware MiniDSP released something like this just 2 months ago. Looks like they are building quite the ecosystem!

 

[Ultrasonic]

Hdmi 2.0? Seriously?

Spec sheet linked above says HDMI 2.1.

 

[Mort]

Damn, I have to admit I'm surprised. Didn't think minidsp has this in them.

 

[Ultrasonic]

Now split it for half the channels, the size and the price, and I'm interested.

Yeah, I'd be far more interested in a simpler and cheaper AV processor. 8 channels and just DLBC would be far more interesting to me (I just run 5.1 and won't be expanding this). I currently use a Marantz Cinema 70S but its performance could easily be improved on and it has zero competition at a remotely comparable price currently.

 

[delta76]

Spec sheet linked above says HDMI 2.1.

I haven't checked it as this is not within my spending budget, just skimmed over first post.
2.1 or even better, 2.1a makes much more senses

 

[superlupo]

Auro3D and an digital output would be the cherry on the cake. Nevertheless exciting.

I guess HDMI licensing wouldn't allow digital outputs.

 

[MCH]

Btw, in the same newsletter they announce the flex ht/eight with Dante output:

 

[nothingman]

Tariffs are gonna absolutely wreck this thing in the US.

In the matter of a day apart, interesting to see Marantz release the new AV30 at $3000 [typo] $4000 + $800 ART license versus Tide16 with the license but at $3500 + tariffs.

Marantz will definitely see discounts during its lifespan. MiniDSP isn’t known for such things.

Tide16 will surely outclass on audio performance but Marantz/Denon have been doing AVPs and AVRs for decades and the livability and interface is fully developed. MiniDSP are stubborn and idiosyncratic and have never delivered a device like this. It’s a high bar, sort of like how the new EV companies just miss things the Big 3 and Germans have learned through hard lessons over years of testing and manufacturing.

 

[nothingman]

And I should say, probably still very hard to argue with Denon X4800H AVR on its occasional $1450 price at Adorama. Set it in preamp only mode and you have solid performance for $2250 with ART license.

The array of amps is just a bonus. Do with them what you will.

 

[Mort]

Tariffs are gonna absolutely wreck this thing in the US.

Yeah it's not even close to $3500. It's not going to be competitive in the USA. Oh well we have buckeye and philharmonic audio.

 

[jaakkopetteri]

Yeah, I'd be far more interested in a simpler and cheaper AV processor. 8 channels and just DLBC would be far more interesting to me (I just run 5.1 and won't be expanding this). I currently use a Marantz Cinema 70S but its performance could easily be improved on and it has zero competition at a remotely comparable price currently.

Just use a Flex HT with an Apple TV 4K. I'm a sucker for minimalism so I'm not too happy about the size and price of the Tide16, but I don't really see a simpler version being a significant step up from the Flex HT either

 

[EWL5]

Tariffs are gonna absolutely wreck this thing in the US.

In the matter of a day apart, interesting to see Marantz release the new AV30 at $3000 + $800 ART license versus Tide16 with the license but at $3500 + tariffs.

Marantz will definitely see discounts during its lifespan. MiniDSP isn’t known for such things.

Tide16 will surely outclass on audio performance but Marantz/Denon have been doing AVPs and AVRs for decades and the livability and interface is fully developed. MiniDSP are stubborn and idiosyncratic and have never delivered a device like this. It’s a high bar, sort of like how the new EV companies just miss things the Big 3 and Germans have learned through hard lessons over years of testing and manufacturing.

Where do you see the AV30 for $3k? It retails for $4k!

AV 30 - 11.4-Channel Balanced AV Preamplifier Powered by HEOS™ | Marantz - US

11.4-Channel Balanced AV Preamplifier Powered by HEOS™

www.marantz.com

 

[nothingman]

Where do you see the AV30 for $3k? It retails for $4k!

https://www.crutchfield.com/S-sqMtrJfDR72/p_642AV30/Marantz-AV-30.html?XVINQ=GLX&XVVer=1MZ6&awcr=792591618178&awdv=c&awnw=g&awug=9003466&awkw=pla-2460675798679&awmt=&awat=pla&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=18596593409&gclid=CjwKCAiAvaLLBhBFEiwAYCNTf_pfXqylsThUq6bo6xA2eMLkFUyXCZ8I_310AXHJ4W7aWaFp_Z1xkxoCwPAQAvD_BwE

Typo! Sorry!

 

[JohnnyNG]

Looks like this could also be used as a crossover/processor for multiway active speakers? Any ideas on how capable the "Quad Core ARM processor / 1.8GHz " is in terms of DSP?