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miniDSP Tide16 - Holy Grail with 16 Channel Atmos/DTS:X, high SINAD

Dan1210 said:
Was there any clarification on the filters, if it was more than the Marantz version of Art which I think was 96.
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Tide seems to be different in this sense and it does not display any limit on the number of filters that are available and on the miniDSP forum no-one seems to have run out of filters so far. I am sure it would have come up if that was the case.
 
Dan1210 said:
Peng, I must apologise I got my wires crossed and im totally baffled as to what I was thinking. I tried my wides using DTS X neural and they aren't working but they are using the Dolby upmixer. I could have sworn Neural X was the catalyst for me adding wides which was no small feat given my room, it must have been when the DSU upmixer was updated in the Anthem to support wides which came a while after the initial product release that im referring to, what a mess sorry!
So the good thing is the Tide is now a consideration as its the DSU upmixer that will utilise the wides...gosh storm in a tea cup lol...
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The Tide will engage the Wides if you use Neural:X. I was surprised by this and thought something wrong, but the miniDSP DevTeam confirmed what I heard. In a 9.1.6 system, Neural:X engages all of the ear level speakers plus the front heights. My assumption (incorrect) was that Neural:X would skip the wides and engage four of the heights, which is, in fact, how it worked with a different processor that I owned.

The Tide Neural:X implementation starts with the ear level speakers and with channels left, goes to the heights. A 7.1.4 set up will engage all of the heights, a 9.1.6 system engages one pair of heights. This was the behavior I noticed playing back lossy dts quad and dts MAHD music, and a dts MAHD encoded TV show discs. It was very effective. Limiting to the Front Height speakers was fine.

I would not want to pay extra for dts:X pro.

Edit: this applies to the PCM neural:x upmixer also. If material is dts encoded, it is automatic (assuming you have the preference set), if PCM you must select dts (or dolby) with the remote. dts gives more discrete effects vs DSU.
 
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Dan1210 said:
Does it have an onscreen menu when you change the volume etc?
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Like BJL replied no onscreen menu. The display on Tide shows the volume using such a big font that it is easily readable further away. There are other means to deal with this too. One is the browser based remote for Tide put together by rocketale - further info on page 115 if you browse back this forum thread. The code is available here: Tide16 remote

There is also a Home Assistant based approach on controlling different features of Tide. This approach has been developed by miniDSP gorum users GaelParis and gemohler. See here for more information:
https://www.minidsp.com/community/t...e-assistant-integration-for-the-tide16.24339/
 
john61ct said:
I have no interest in AVP/AVR gear and actively avoid proprietary mch-encoded content.

But just as a DSP unit for active crossovers and DRC, this unit is both limited in channel count and at the same time crazy pricey.

I wish Dirac software-only on PC / RPi had a rental option like Roon, or say a 90-day trial, I'd pay a fair bit for that
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Yes, if you intend to only use this for 10% of what it's capable of, it's pricey. For what it actually is and does, it is fairly priced.
 
That is exactly my point, I worded the comment precisely to express that.

Even if I could ever afford one, a Ferrari is not suitable for a Costco run, the boot's too small!
 
Dan1210 said:
Was there any clarification on the filters, if it was more than the Marantz version of Art which I think was 96.
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BJL said:
The Tide will engage the Wides if you use Neural:X. I was surprised by this and thought something wrong, but the miniDSP DevTeam confirmed what I heard. In a 9.1.6 system, Neural:X engages all of the ear level speakers plus the front heights. My assumption (incorrect) was that Neural:X would skip the wides and engage four of the heights, which is, in fact, how it worked with a different processor that I owned.

The Tide Neural:X implementation starts with the ear level speakers and with channels left, goes to the heights. A 7.1.4 set up will engage all of the heights, a 9.1.6 system engages one pair of heights. This was the behavior I noticed playing back lossy dts quad and dts MAHD music, and a dts MAHD encoded TV show discs. It was very effective. Limiting to the Front Height speakers was fine.

I would not want to pay extra for dts:X pro.

Edit: this applies to the PCM neural:x upmixer also. If material is dts encoded, it is automatic (assuming you have the preference set), if PCM you must select dts (or dolby) with the remote. dts gives more discrete effects vs DSU.
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That’s great but then why according to minidsp own documentation, Neural X is limited to 11 channels, not counting subs.
 
peng said:
That’s great but then why according to minidsp own documentation, Neural X is limited to 11 channels, not counting subs.
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9 ear level speakers plus front heights is 11 (7 plus Wides = 9 plus 2 heights = 11).
 
BJL said:
9 ear level speakers plus front heights is 11 (7 plus Wides = 9 plus 2 heights = 11).
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That’s my understanding, but I asked about 9.1.6, so I must have misunderstood your post.
 
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@amirm , now that the much anticipated review on the AVR-x3900h is done, can you tell us whether you have received a Tide 16 yet?

If you cannot say, okay, I understand, even if you do, it has to join a mile long queue anyway.
 
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Foggy1956 said:
Just getting started but I'm very impressed with how the tide handles music. Haven't had a chance to run Dirac yet.
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Good to know, I expect this thing will do at least 110 dB SINAD so someone is going to say music sound sterile lol.., but then it comes with DL ART so will be fine regardless.
 
peng said:
Good to know, I expect this thing will do at least 110 dB SINAD so someone is going to say music sound sterile lol.., but then it comes with DL ART so will be fine regardless.
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My previous processor sounded better when Dirac live was active than without. The Tide sounds better than my previous processor with just a simple 40hz crossover with 2 channel music, I imagine it will be a greater improvement once Dirac ART is up and running.
 
Foggy1956 said:
My previous processor sounded better when Dirac live was active than without. The Tide sounds better than my previous processor with just a simple 40hz crossover with 2 channel music, I imagine it will be a greater improvement once Dirac ART is up and running.
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Is it just a matter of sitting thru the annoying test tones before you have ART up and running?
 
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