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I don't think that will be foolproof. EU customers are used to this with VAT. Best not to have it in there
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miniDSP Tide16 - Holy Grail with 16 Channel Atmos/DTS:X, high SINAD
Yep. I get thumped. every single time!
That may be. But most of the time you won't need MiniDSP remote at all. HDMI CEC takes care of major stuff, or say you can tell ATV remote to send volume and mute to MiniDSP, via TV or IR or CEC (not sure have they improved the CEC story though, ATV control via HDMI does not work with HTx. you need to either use "through tv" or learn remote of MiniDSP). That's how I am using it most of the time. Sure nicer remote is better. Other issue I had also with their equipment is that the same remote works with multiple and different devices. I needed to disable IR on Adept because HTx remote was controlling that too.
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weird that we talk about upgrades for a product that was just announced. this is not 2019. HDMI 2.1 should be default, period.
maybe they will just fix it in retail version, and this will be on my watch list - maybe someday at deep discount
Seems like many haven't understood the product when comparing it to standard AVRs like Denon.
What makes this product completely different is the ability to use advanced crossovers for active speakers. And active crossover has a lot of advantages vs passive speakers.
So finally it's possible to achieve true high performance combined with surround formats at much lower price point vs for example Trinnov.
Just hoping it will have manual global correction (on inputs) and ability to use proper FIR for crossovers. If not, it will be too limited for high-end use. Dirac Art is nice for bass management, but shouldn't replace manual correction.
What makes this product completely different is the ability to use advanced crossovers for active speakers. And active crossover has a lot of advantages vs passive speakers.
So finally it's possible to achieve true high performance combined with surround formats at much lower price point vs for example Trinnov.
Just hoping it will have manual global correction (on inputs) and ability to use proper FIR for crossovers. If not, it will be too limited for high-end use. Dirac Art is nice for bass management, but shouldn't replace manual correction.
Slightly edited.. Your post. I don't yet see the advantage of this over say a Denon 4800 or a 6800H, as someone else remarked... I am also a fan/proponent/elated user of @OCA scripts and don't plan on leaving the Denon/Marantz ecosystem for the foreseeable future .
As for the reliability of Denon/Marantz because of the supposed "Heat build-up", I have not experienced such, and in eco-mode my old, purchased refurbished in 2017, AVR-X3400H, doesn't offer the possibility of shutting down the built-in amplifers when in Pre/Pro mode. Using it in eco-mode it playing as a preamp, consumes (measured) 65 watts, I have been using it in this mode for the past 8 years without, any "Heat Build-up" nor any other problems .. Cross my fingers.. next step could be either a 3800 or a 6800H, this last one often goes on sales for around $2500... It boasts 11 (!!) 140 watts amplifiers... I there is any sign of "Heat build-up" one can address this with a bit of non-invasive or irreversible DIY: Some silent fans on top or wherever appropriate would solve the issues, if indeed these are serious... on top of that the 6800H, offers 7 (!!) HDMI (2.1) inputs and 3 HDMI outputs, as well as 6 analog inputs and 6 analog outputs and ... the possibility to enter your own (FIR??) filters...
Yes it is big and f-ugly but ... but It seems to provide a lot more ... aside from (likely inaudible for most) better SINAD and balanced outputs... Just saying ... After reading the latest posts of this thread, I am not convinced by this product.
If many users, on this asr forum no less, fail to distinct this to an avr, then it is a failure on company marketing, not us.
In a competitive home theatre market, it is their job to make their products appealing to us, not to figure out where this will fit in our systems
Unfortunately, the internal processing of only 48 kHz is also rather disappointing by today's standards.
As far as I know, my Denon seems to process at 96 kHz. (X4800h, I base this on Amir's test)
No 8K support in the video department is not really future-proof.
source https://www.minidsp.com/images/documents/Product Brief - miniDSP Tide16.pdf
As far as I know, my Denon seems to process at 96 kHz. (X4800h, I base this on Amir's test)
No 8K support in the video department is not really future-proof.
source https://www.minidsp.com/images/documents/Product Brief - miniDSP Tide16.pdf
Hey, don't shoot the messenger
Dirac ART does not do bass management at all. You'll still need DLBC for that.
Yeah, that's what I thought would be the major advantage as well: AVP and X-over in one. You can have an active 5.4.2 system with five 2-ways, four subs, and two wideband overhead speakers, for instance, or any other hypothetical combination, obviously.
Realistically, this will be a tough one. It will add a significant delay to the audio upto a point where lip-sync cannot keep up, and most likely will not work in conjunction with the Dirac filters.
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What specifically is disappointing about a DSP running at 48k?
I think that's actually preferable in terms of FIR capability?
I would not be surprised if Dirac just runs at 48 kHz.
That's what makes it interesting to me as well but I would imagine would be a vanishingly small niche compared to typical AVR use. In all honesty, this would be a bit overkill for me with a stereo 4-way active setup but the apparent DSP power has me intrigued.
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Dirac runs on 48 kHz iirc.
I find your lack of faith disturbing.Nice product. But alas no digital outs and them tariffs
I am willing to give up on my quest for digital only
SCNR.
It means it downsamples all hi-res material from Tidal and other streaming services once you use any processing. And processing is probably one of the main reason why anybody would buy this.
Meanwhile, most consumer grade mixing desks for instance have at least 24bit/96kHz internal processing, as well as consumer avr's. So launching a product in 2026 with only 48kHz processing is a bit disappointing, to say the least.
And yes, you do hear the difference even on a consumer grade avr + loudspeakers.
Your $5-$6k expectation is biased by the pricing of full-fledged processors that have more. On the Tide16, you don't get:
- more HDMI inputs
- a well-thought out web-based user interface
- rca outputs
- rca inputs
- component video for legacy devices
@Keith_W, you mentioned possibly removing Dirac to reduce overall product cost. As there is no in-house room correction, are you proposing miniDSP invest in some R&D to come up with their own room correction for their first 16 channel processor? I think miniDSP was smart to partner with Dirac to offer what nearly everyone agrees is world-class room correction instead of creating their own!
If you take all of the above into account (and scrutinize the smaller form factor of this processor), you can easily see how miniDSP is still making money selling this for $3500!
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Yeah nah
Why would they? You basically have full access to the DSP power of the device. You can just use REW to create filters and import them. There are plenty of other tools for this as well. They sold products with this setup for years to do room correction, so why would they now change that?
Besides, the use of Dirac might mean that they are obligated not to create a competing software solution for a one-click room correction product.
Not sure about you, but I guess I will be selling my HT and HTx, may keep the AVM70 though, but if I sell the AVM70 as well, I may have enough to buy this thing that can truly be used for HT and 2 channel hifi stereo. Max sampling rate is still 48 kHz but that's okay, higher than that will make me feel good but I know I can't hear the difference anyway.