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miniDSP Tide16 - Holy Grail with 16 Channel Atmos/DTS:X, high SINAD

I came over all nerdy and looked at all the HDMI extractor switches I could find that would pass 4k120 video and lossless Atmos audio.
They all had a lot in common - HDMI 2.1, HDCP 2.3, 48Gbps bandwidth, 8k60 and 4k120 video, and most supported VRR, ALLM, DV and HDR10+.
The differences are in whether the audio is output over regular HDMI or by HDMI eARC (or both).
The model numbers have links to the manufacturer's pages. Let me know if you find any others.
I particularly liked the FeinTech and Orei switches with multiple inputs and eARC output.
Since these are all so modestly priced, I think there's an opportunity to make the video switching disposable and updateable, and keep one good audio processor.
If that was nerdy, this is terminally OCD. Once I get my beak in something I can't stop pecking.
So here are all the HDMI 2.1 switches that can feed an AVP, excluding splitters and HDBaseT devices (which only ever go up to 4k60 anyway).

EDIT: Just thinking out loud for a moment, if all those HDBaseT 3.0 matrices can work so well using ethernet, why did we ever need HDMI at all?

These run from 1x1 up to 8x8 (there are a few 16x16 devices but they're $$$$).
4k60 seems to be the widely established standard for switches and matrices, but not so many support 4k120.
Those that do, often have eARC support. Manufacturers often promote eARC, without being clear about whether it's eARC input, or eARC output, or both.

I'm fascinated by the number of 4x4 and 8x8 matrices, though when you look hard there are only two types - the AVPro and everything else.
They're amazingly capable and a leap above everything else, with lots of independent user-configurable options for each input and output. Not only do they have a large number of EDID options, they're per-channel rather than global settings, and the audio & video output formats can be scaled individually for each output, and the user typically has the choice to set a variety of custom EDIDs, so the options are limitless. They can all be controlled remotely by PC using RS232 (if you're a 20th century guy) or WebGUI (21st century).

Although AVPro and BZB are American, Lindy is British, and FeinTech and PureTools are German, the reality is that everything is manufactured in China.
I contacted many vendors to ask questions, and the western companies offered very good technical support. EZCOO were not so good.
Related subject - one thing to watch out for is cooling fan noise. Some devices are noisy, but some are quiet with necessary firmware update, so support is important.

There seems to be one 4x4 and one 8x8 matrix that's sold by BZBGear, EZCOO, FourKay, Lindy, Orei, and XOLORspace. They're nearly identical on the outside, and they have the same specs. I downloaded and compared the owner's manuals and saw more similarity. The FourKay and XolorSpace manuals were absolutely identical, with no branding or even part numbers. The others were topped and tailed, but had exactly the same content. The BZB was the same but with their own formatting.

Although the BZB and Lindy are more expensive than the others, it's clear that they're all the same unit, with the same documentation, from the same manufacturer.
The AVPro gear is completely different and much more expensive. The AudioControl equipment definitely benefits from AVPro's undoubted expertise in HDMI engineering, but it seems to me that it must come at a cost.

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EDIT: I'm such a nerd that I think I've found an error in the BZB Gear 8K-44MA user manual. On page 10, in the Defined EDID Settings Table, EDID Mode 44 is defined as "Copy Out 5". This appears to be copied over from the manual for the 8K-88MA, but the 8K-44MA doesn't have a channel 5. It must be time to get a life.......
 

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I finally got my tide 16. Unfortunately the front panel glass was cracked. It doesn't appear to affect it functionally but it's a big disappointment.

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I finally got my tide 16. Unfortunately the front panel glass was cracked. It doesn't appear to affect it functionally but it's a big disappointment.

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Oh man, that's really bad news. What kind of packaging did they use? Box damaged or how the hell that happened?
 
Oh man, that's really bad news. What kind of packaging did they use? Box damaged or how the hell that happened?
Great question, if and when I decided to go for one, I would like to know how well they package this C$5,000 box for sure.
 
I finally got my tide 16. Unfortunately the front panel glass was cracked. It doesn't appear to affect it functionally but it's a big disappointment.

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Sorry to hear that. This is unacceptable. The shipper has to have plenty of padding in carton around the device to prevent any possible damage in transit. Everyone know how FedEx/UPS etc mishandle the packages. They don't care. You should be able to get a replacement and keep the damaged one for free.
 
Packaging can only do so much with the way FedEx handles things
 
Not mentioned in the changelog, but a little birdie told me this beta now supports the KD1 controller.

 
Pretty cool device. I had no idea that miniDSP even made this. KD-1
It's less cool when you realize it has to be USB plugged in at all times.
 
It's less cool when you realize it has to be USB plugged in at all times.
Did not realize that. They need to redesign this and make it with a rechargeable battery so that it can stand alone w/o a constant powerline.
 
Entirely agree. U.S. customers should think twice, hard, before ordering. Had I known what a frustrating hassle this was going to turn into, I would not have ordered, and keep in mind, with miniDSP there is no way to undo an order. I'm fairly certain (hope!) mine will arrive eventually, but it was not worth the trouble.

It is unfortunate, but I suggest that anyone considering purchasing the TIde16 either await Deer Creek getting inventory, or simply purchase a different product, such as the HTP-1.
I'm am replying to myself to correct myself.

Now that I (finally) received the Tide and have had it set up for a couple of days, I have to say, it was worth the effort of dealing with customs and FedEx messing up.

Assuming that the feature set is suitable (number inputs, HDMI 2.0 etc.) this is an extraordinary AVP. The physical design is great, I love the OLED display with a 16 channel level meter. It was super easy to set it up, following the online manual and the audio quality is just wonderful. Made me feel like listening to all my favorite music over again, and that was before I calibrated with Dirac ART. After ART calibration the sound is just sublime.

So, I have to reverse myself. No doubt worth the annoyance, and maybe I was just unlucky with the FedEx office I had to deal with.
 
I'm am replying to myself to correct myself.

Now that I (finally) received the Tide and have had it set up for a couple of days, I have to say, it was worth the effort of dealing with customs and FedEx messing up.

Assuming that the feature set is suitable (number inputs, HDMI 2.0 etc.) this is an extraordinary AVP. The physical design is great, I love the OLED display with a 16 channel level meter. It was super easy to set it up, following the online manual and the audio quality is just wonderful. Made me feel like listening to all my favorite music over again, and that was before I calibrated with Dirac ART. After ART calibration the sound is just sublime.

So, I have to reverse myself. No doubt worth the annoyance, and maybe I was just unlucky with the FedEx office I had to deal with.
Good things come to those who wait. I still think it's more of a full fledged DSP that happens to process video and decode audio. The Hyperion is the AVP
 
Good things come to those who wait. I still think it's more of a full fledged DSP that happens to process video and decode audio. The Hyperion is the AVP
I don't quite understand the distinction, though I agree that the Tide is a full fledged DSP.
 
I don't quite understand the distinction, though I agree that the Tide is a full fledged DSP.
More to prevent unfair comparisons to other AVPs that handle HDMI 2.1 properly. I feel like if AVP is emphasized; people knock on what the Tide 16 is really capable of.
 
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