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Not even the most exemplary measured two-way speaker with 4.5 inch bass driver, tip top on all measurement criteria, would be worth €94,000.00.
Just the fact that there are limitations in SPL and low frequency capacity vs a larger speaker makes the price totally bizarrely high.
What would be a reasonable limit for a SOTA little two-way speaker? A tenth of what the Børresen M1 costs?
Taking you at your word, it doesn’t seem like this is a way for you to learn at all.
I recommend you read all of Amir’s reviews on audiophile accessories (cables, power conditioners, tweaks, etc.). Then start a thread summarizing what you learned.
Taking you at your word, it doesn’t seem like this is a way for you to learn at all.
I recommend you read all of Amir’s reviews on audiophile accessories (cables, power conditioners, tweaks, etc.). Then start a thread summarizing what you learned.
I like discussing about audio stuff
If I ask about something several times it doesn't mean I haven't learned anything about that topic
I can discuss it again for different opinions
I do have a memory problem and can write the same things over and over again but still it doesn't contradict the fact that I do learn
So as you can see things are more complicated than black (don't learn anything) and white (learn everything I need to)
The next level displays Borrensen at axpona and Lars is there personally selecting the songs, setup and volume. The demonstrations are impressive to hear. The next level also carries more realistic brands like Focal & Dynaudio. I hold no ill will towards folk that like to spend their money on exclusive things, it's not like they pose a threat to my reality.
Re Micheal Boresen - if I am not mistaken, he used to be owner of Raidho, that look very similar to Boresen [and are quite bad speakers too]. Then they went bankrupt, somebody bought them and he left couple of years later.
Local distributor of Boresen group of companies [ansuz cables, aavik electronics] is very active and I had the opportunity to hear their towers, do not remember the type, 3 way with 2 woofers. I was aware about absurdly bad measurements by Erin, so I went there expecting complete train wreck.
While it was bad [in terms of tonal accuracy], it was not really atrocious in terms of distortion and I have heard more annoying speakers in my life. I think they use high quality drivers, so this must help a bit. There was a guy there that was really impressed and loved the sound - so probably there is some market for this type of sound out there. I stopped wondering about other people taste long time ago - I have witnessed people preferring some atrocious V shaped response speakers with no bass from Living Voice vs Genelec Ones.
Saddest thing is that majority of audiophile community completely disregard measurements, so people like Boresen get away with designs like this. Argument I have heard recently “I do not need to see measurements, because we do not live in anechoic chamber and these are anechoic measurements so they are not valid for real life” . Smart guy actually in his profession.
I like discussing about audio stuff
If I ask about something several times it doesn't mean I haven't learned anything about that topic
I can discuss it again for different opinions
I do have a memory problem and can write the same things over and over again but still it doesn't contradict the fact that I do learn
So as you can see things are more complicated than black (don't learn anything) and white (learn everything I need to)
The next level displays Borrensen at axpona and Lars is there personally selecting the songs, setup and volume. The demonstrations are impressive to hear. The next level also carries more realistic brands like Focal & Dynaudio. I hold no ill will towards folk that like to spend their money on exclusive things, it's not like they pose a threat to my reality.
Uh. No ill-will is directed at the person buying this stuff. Glad you also feel no ill will.
The criticism, or ill-will if you must, is toward the people who push this junk. Exclusive doesn’t have to sound bad.
Also, there is a BS dividend we all pay, not just the rich. Most members here, including myself, have made decisions to buy electronics that add no value, sound no better. So many manufacturers still obscure and hide the actual performance of their gear across price points. And most want to trap us in a never ending upgrade cycle. So yeah, very fair to criticize gear.
Has anyone in this thread actually listened to Børresen speakers?
I’m not exactly dying to hear them, but if there’s a demo setup nearby,
I might try them out just out of morbid curiosity.
HiFi is a very unusual field in that the design competence usually falls sharply for the most expensive products. This is usually compensated by extensive marketing hype and fantastic furniture craftsmanship.
This can be a real phenomenon explained by low manufacturing and sales volume... If someone with no experience wants to make a living building speakers, they will naturally be working in small quantities both in buying parts and selling finished goods, leading to very high prices per unit. And I won't say that building good furniture is easier than designing a good speaker. But I think more people know how to do it.
The funny thing with loudspeakers is that one really can hear differencies between them!
Sound differencies between sources, dacs, amps and cables are not audible (exception vinyl players)
I've watched a few episodes of the Next Leve Hifi youtube channel (Börreson dealer), where they have clients spending $500k plus on peripherals and a titanium rack, and make a weekend out of installing and tuning it by ear. The madness doesn't stop at just the speakers.
I made a civil comment underneath the Borresen video, mentioning that MB’s comments - downplaying the role of frequency response and emphasizing the role of “timing” - did not seem to accord with a careful studies and science we have on the issue, which essentially has it the reverse.
Re Micheal Boresen - if I am not mistaken, he used to be owner of Raidho, that look very similar to Boresen [and are quite bad speakers too]. Then they went bankrupt, somebody bought them and he left couple of years later.
I became somewhat interested in Raidho when I heard a single compelling demonstration at an audio show. They played some opera vocals that sounded particularly natural and realistic.
Later on when I was auditioning an extensive range of loudspeakers when looking for a new loudspeaker, I was able to audition a couple stand mounted Raidho speakers (one of which I think might’ve been the same speaker demo at the show).
I found the sound far too coloured from my taste. Raidho also has a “ designed by ear” approach in which they were essentially trying to re-create the tonality of something like middle seats in a concert hall. The result was some all too obvious upper mid/lower treble (IIRC) scoop out and a bulge in the upper bass, that led to recessed sound and somewhat obnoxious bass quality.
Not me, but see above since Raidho came from the same guy intended to measure similar to Borresen.
My buddy had the (edit correction) Borresen X6 for a while at his house. He immediately noticed the frequency response sculpting that Erin identified, leading to some parts of the frequencies to sound recessed, but also a very punchy feel for bass.
He told me they weren’t speakers that he would choose to own, but they had some appealing qualities - airy and easy to listen to upper frequencies, a very spacious soundstage with extremely well focused imaging, and punchy bass that made playing quite a bit of music pretty fun. Basically he heard the positive and negative attributes that Erin expressed in his review.
