Message to golden-eared audiophiles posting at ASR for the first time...

[pma]

Or MNDA?

 

[j_j]

Or MNDA?

It's complicated. Not bad, but complicated. The right answers in my opinion cover a lot of stuff beyond loudspeakers.

 

[Sal1950]

It's complicated. Not bad, but complicated. The right answers in my opinion cover a lot of stuff beyond loudspeakers.

Your day will come.

 

[Mr. Widget]

It's complicated. Not bad, but complicated. The right answers in my opinion cover a lot of stuff beyond loudspeakers.

I'm intrigued... and probably agree, but am certainly curious.

 

[Bob from Florida]

Or as we used to say FTITCTAJ

Or the competing “DILLIGAF”.

 

[richard12511]

sighs.... Klippel does not limit yourself, actually increases your ability to test speaker capabilities beyond our quite limited human ear abilities to measure sound. if you want to still trust your ears more, is ok, but to me sound like a person claiming to able to see better than a telescope, a delusion.

I don’t think Matt was saying that the Klippel itself is limiting, but rather its lack of widespread adoption.

Based on the way I read his post, I’d assume he agrees that full Klippel NFS datasets for every speaker would improve our ability to shop for the perfect speaker for us.

 

[Werthers]

It's a manifesto!

Largely tongue-in-cheek, but there's an honest message buried in there. It is a bit of a jolt when you are confronted by the reality that you can't trust your own ears. But once you really accept it, it does kinda set you free. You can ignore a lot of BS and focus on what actually makes a difference.

I remember hauling in my inexpensive Paisley Research speakers to the high-end dealer here in town decades ago to compare to their speakers (I believe they were a pair of Proac's) and even though the Proac's were smaller and much more expensive the salesman said he thought the Proac's sounded better. I disagreed based on the bass, mine produced deeper fuller bass but then I later learned that bass is something I just naturally listen for and others don't. This was subsequently taught to me ~3 decades later when I had a friend over and we were listening to my Audioengine A5+ speakers and he thought they sounded good but I wasn't so thrilled because they lack deep bass. Neither the salesman nor my friend have the ear for bass that I have but then I don't have the ear for midrange that they have even though that's where the overwhelming majority of the music lies. This also explains why some people used to think I was the antichrist when I used to set my equalizers to smile at me, because I wanted all the bass and treble I could get but midrange be damned!

One of the problems with the listening test we did at the high end audio shop was, he had us connect up my speakers and listen to them before disconnecting them and then connecting the Proac's and this is when I learned about anechoic memory and how incredibly short it can be so I think a better test would have been to A/B them instantly next to each other and walk around the room but that was a long time ago and we've learned a lot more about anechoic memory and room acoustics since then

The last time I was in that shop they had a pair of $55,000 B&W's on display which reminded me of the $60,000 pair of Focal's another dealer had down the road if only in price. The craziest thing is, neither pair are the TOTL line speaker system from either manufacturer

I have no interest in hearing either

 

[MattHooper]

I don’t think Matt was saying that the Klippel itself is limiting, but rather its lack of widespread adoption.

Based on the way I read his post, I’d assume he agrees that full Klippel NFS datasets for every speaker would improve our ability to shop for the perfect speaker for us.

Correct !!

The more objective information the better.

 

[Booker]

I had a hip-hop track made based on the OP:

https://soundcloud.com/bo_ker%2Fmessage-to-golden-eared

 

[Sal1950]

I had a hip-hop track made based on the OP:

https://soundcloud.com/bo_ker%2Fmessage-to-golden-eared

OMG