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Measurements of GUSTARD U16 USB Digital Interface

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Another cross-validation test method:

The SPDIF signal generated by the interface is sent to the decoder.
Which contains the clock and data signals.
There are many modern decoders that correct the clock signals contained in the SPDIF in a variety of ways (such as the GPLL of the GUSTARD X26).

But there are also DAC that don't fix them.

In this test, I used an R2R decoder, which uses the AK4118 SPDIF receiver chip. The entire I2S signal (the signal sent to the decoder chip contains MCLK) comes from the front-end SPDIF signal of the 4118 recovery.

In this architecture, the SPDIF signal will directly affect the I2S signal. The jitter of the SPDIF signal will directly affect the jitter of the I2S signal.

The R2R decoder chip (AD1865) will reflect these jitters on the analog output.

So we can look at the jitter by performing an FFT analysis on the analog output.



The first is the panorama (the lower the horizontal line, the better. As for the vertical line, there should be only one in the middle)

Purple and green are U16. Red is the XMOS in the test chart above.

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The vertical magnification of the above picture takes -130dbrA to -160dbrA

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The above picture shows a lot of "spikes"


This picture is a good explanation:


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Excellent...but so far over my poor historian/accountant’s head I’m largely looking at the wolves for guidance on what it means...hungry like the wolf?
 
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Excellent...but so far over my poor historian/accountant’s head I’m largely looking at the wolves for guidance on what it means...hungry like the wolf?

The measurement result of this unit(240$!!!) is obviously inferior to the unit used for comparison(70$).


I put this Dire Wolf in the main position means... this unit will ruthlessly devouring (waste) your money
 
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The measurement result of this unit(240$!!!) is obviously inferior to the unit used for comparison(70$).


I put this Dire Wolf in the main position means... this unit will ruthlessly devouring (waste) your money
Out of curiosity, what is the $70 XMOS device?

PS many misguided people on head-fi think U16 sounds great. It proves jitter is not a big concern, imo. :)
 
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Out of curiosity, what is the $70 XMOS device?

PS many misguided people on head-fi think U16 sounds great. It proves jitter is not a big concern, imo. :)

In my opinion, this is suspected of belittle one product to sell another. Therefore, I will not introduce this XMOS USB to SPDIF interface in the forum.
 

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In my opinion, this is suspected of belittle one product to sell another. Therefore, I will not introduce this XMOS USB to SPDIF interface in the forum.
Amir always do performance comparisons between products, I don't see a problem doing that here. Unless you're affiliated with the products, of course.
 

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This is very interesting. The effects on the AD1865 are very low in level (mostly below -138dBrA). Do you find that there are more measurable effects with this device feeding a sigma-delta converter rather than the AD1865?
 
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Amir always do performance comparisons between products, I don't see a problem doing that here. Unless you're affiliated with the products, of course.

The XMOS in test :

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3-c.w4002-5472771234.18.558059047gg0lT&id=567368092259

It comes from this unit, but updates the latest USB interface part of the same merchant:

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3-c.w4002-5472771234.12.558059047gg0lT&id=605346539299

The merchant can also sell the complete unit when I buy it. But it seems to be temporarily out of stock.
 
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This is very interesting. The effects on the AD1865 are very low in level (mostly below -138dBrA). Do you find that there are more measurable effects with this device feeding a sigma-delta converter rather than the AD1865?

Most sigma-delta converters have their own clocks. It's hard to tell where the problem is.
 

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By any chance have you measured the latency of the AES or RCA out? Flipping between my U12 and U16 with PCM content, I noticed the U16 is giving me lip sync issues with video (and likely making me die a lot a video games :p ).
 
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By any chance have you measured the latency of the AES or RCA out? Flipping between my U12 and U16 with PCM content, I noticed the U16 is giving me lip sync issues with video (and likely making me die a lot a video games :p ).
I take this measurement on the weekend
 

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I am also interested in how these digital inteerfaces measuring results are correlated with subjective feelings. Is there any absolute threshold or critera for reference when reading these graphs?
 
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I am also interested in how these digital inteerfaces measuring results are correlated with subjective feelings. Is there any absolute threshold or critera for reference when reading these graphs?


Jitter lower is better

I have a100usd USB to SPDIF interface jitter almost 100ps
 

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The XMOS in test :

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3-c.w4002-5472771234.18.558059047gg0lT&id=567368092259

It comes from this unit, but updates the latest USB interface part of the same merchant:

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3-c.w4002-5472771234.12.558059047gg0lT&id=605346539299

The merchant can also sell the complete unit when I buy it. But it seems to be temporarily out of stock.

Is this the same item as above? It seems to be, but it’s not clear to me if it includes the upgraded USB board you mentioned.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/254266810170
 

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Is this the same item as above? It seems to be, but it’s not clear to me if it includes the upgraded USB board you mentioned.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/254266810170
It is the correct unit, BUT message them if they have stock! The official page is no longer offering this finished w/ enclosure USB interface
https://xaud.world.taobao.com/?spm=2013.1.1000126.3.23d93bf5ZQmUlL only the bare USB boards.
Last comment on the old product page was "new revision to come in May" but due to corona it is probably delayed.
 

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It is the correct unit, BUT message them if they have stock! The official page is no longer offering this finished w/ enclosure USB interface
https://xaud.world.taobao.com/?spm=2013.1.1000126.3.23d93bf5ZQmUlL only the bare USB boards.
Last comment on the old product page was "new revision to come in May" but due to corona it is probably delayed.
Now there is an updated version of this spdif interface, with 3 different crystal options. It was just listed in the store yesterday. I already purchased it.


Another question for the wolf:

Hi Wolf,

I know you have your own website, L7 audio lab, you used to publish the measurement of U16 on it. Recently I noticed that the measurements of U16 was removed. Could you tell me why, did you find problems in your previous testing?

Thanks,
 

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Now there is an updated version of this spdif interface, with 3 different crystal options. It was just listed in the store yesterday. I already purchased it.
Nice :) What crystal oscillator did you choose? Cheapest? Or one of the upgrades?
 

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Nice :) What crystal oscillator did you choose? Cheapest? Or one of the upgrades?
I chose the AS318-B, the mid configuration. The designer actually recommends the cheapest version since he could only tell the performance difference by measurement, not by he ears. 957 is the best option for sure, but it’s just much more expensive than the 318 while having slightly better performance. I mainly use this interface with Titan’s audio Helen, I only need ‘OK‘ signal coming out of it and I wouldn’t mind paying a little bit more, so I bought the 318 B version.
 
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