Ouch! Including the "what a long strange journey" thread? Sorry to hear.Not possible. He has banned me after a few posts in his thread.
Ouch! Including the "what a long strange journey" thread? Sorry to hear.Not possible. He has banned me after a few posts in his thread.
I wouldn't buy a tv that took 3 days to display the correct color balance. Correct. I turn my tv on and off when not in use.
if I thought it sounded good, I'd have no problem buying it if it took 3 days to sound its best. I would plan to leave it on the whole time.
I just read the manual for Schiit Yggdrasil and there is no mention of requirement for warm up let alone 72 hours of it. So my measurements are compliant with manufacturer's instructions.
Yes, both of them. Jason told me to to go Mike's thread and instantly banned me from his thread. I got a few words in very politely in Mike's thread before he banned me (and deleted my last post). They are absolutely in no mood to be questioned negatively about anything they do even in the most professional way.Ouch! Including the "what a long strange journey" thread? Sorry to hear.
If that's so, then I suggest leaving your tv on. I'll continue to turn mine off. But no I haven't changed the goal post. There wasn't a goal in the first place!Hey, you have already changed the goal post. What makes it ok to leave a DAC on all the time but makes it necessary turning on and off a TV? Imagine the TVs image was superb after a 3-day warmup. Why wouldn't you leave it on? Most LED TVs nowadays use 45 Watt or less when turned on. The Power Consumption of the Yggdrasil DAC is 35 W. I find it very comparable numbers, and if the logic applies to one of them, then the same logic applies to both.
Let's be fair to him. There are not thousands of people saying to leave TVs on for better picture but there are plenty of subjectivists who do say you have to leave audio gear on forever.Hey, you have already changed the goal post. What makes it ok to leave a DAC on all the time but makes it necessary turning on and off a TV? Imagine the TVs image was superb after a 3-day warmup. Why wouldn't you leave it on? Most LED TVs nowadays use 45 Watt or less when turned on. The Power Consumption of the Yggdrasil DAC is 35 W. I find it very comparable numbers, and if the logic applies to one of them, then the same logic applies to both.
I remeasured the Schiit BiFrost Multibit after leaving it on overnight. It made no difference in measurements: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...t-bifrost-multibit-dac.2319/page-5#post-63652
I just read the manual for Schiit Yggdrasil and there is no mention of requirement for warm up let alone 72 hours of it. So my measurements are compliant with manufacturer's instructions.
I have a Schiit Modi Multibit that I purchased. I am happy to test it and retest it after 72 hours. I am confident it won't show any difference but will test.![]()
I wouldn't suggest that leaving a 35W device turned on all the time is an acceptable engineering/design compromise, so I am consistently turning off both my DACs and my TVs. You are not, so you need to justify what makes it different for DACs than it is for TVs.If that's so, then I suggest leaving your tv on. I'll continue to turn mine off. But no I haven't changed the goal post.
I leave most of my gear on. But I can't leave my XPA-1 gen 2 on simply due to it having huge amounts of power consumption in class A mode. I found the Gungnir to sound better after a week (subjective impression). But that wasn't why I was asking you about it. I don't use the Gungnir MB, I use a DC-1. I asked you because of Mike's reccomendation. I appreciate you retaking measurements within your ability.Let's be fair to him. There are not thousands of people saying to leave TVs on for better picture but there are plenty of subjectivists who do say you have to leave audio gear on forever.
Well, that is folklore. Such a statement needs to be backed by measurements and data and not just throwing numbers out.Two factors: One is that it takes 32x less time to stabilize to 16 bit rather than 21 bit levels. The second is that things heat up much faster in a teeny box.
What if you did? Also, would you be wearing a jacket in this situation? Or a fur coat?
You make assumptions and use labels.
I wouldn't buy a tv that took 3 days to display the correct color balance. Correct. I turn my tv on and off when not in use.
Were you trying to relate that to the Yggy DAC? Cuz it's not a tv. Because if I thought it sounded good, I'd have no problem buying it if it took 3 days to sound its best. I would plan to leave it on the whole time.
I think you'll also find that you need to be listening to the device for much of the burn-in time because of the well-known scientific observer effect:
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_effect
The quantum particles only align properly when they know they're being observed.
Here's a thought...instead of all this wailing and gnashing of teeth over comparing measurements, why not establish guidelines for what measurement levels are acceptable (i.e. the threshold of auditability) for the measurements being posted along with what can be expected sonically when gear doesn't 'measure up'...apologies if it's been done and in another thread.
Doing this would add value to a DAC purchaser's decision process...if they care about such things; some will, some won't.
Don't get me wrong, I see value in publishing measurements. However, I find myself looking at these charts and saying..."OK, but what does it mean to me? What should I expect the actual sound (i.e. listening) difference to be when the THD+N is so different between the Yggy (-61 dB@20 Hz) and the DX7 (-106dB@20 Hz) and the E32 (-110 dB@20 Hz)?
For instance, "shown the door as compared to the Topping DX7 and Exasound E32" is a great turn of phrase but something that describes the sonic character differences of the bass/midrange/treble of the Yggy, DX7 & E32 through some reference level headphones or speakers would be much more useful...imo.
Well, that is folklore. Such a statement needs to be backed by measurements and data and not just throwing numbers out.
There is no data for example on the internal components changing in temp up to 72 hours.
He is just throwing stuff out there to explain away negative remarks about the sound of the product: "oh, you didn't let it warm up for 72 hours? That is the reason for it not sounding good."
It is his data and information that is suspect, not what we are presenting.