Master Thread: Are measurements Everything or Nothing?

[BDWoody]

As for audiophiles, if measurement are not taken in the user's room, they are useless.

If the Klippel was set up, and the measurements were taken in my room, it should look just like it does from anywhere else.

The key is understanding how to interpret the data presented so it is relevant to me. That's where most just can't be bothered, because it isn't necessarily obvious or easy.

 

[krabapple]

In most applications Science establishes norms and consensus. Energy storage is an example. In electro acoustics, science has not been a prevalent factor, Engineering effort and orientation differ widely and are all over the place. Klippel measurements are considered by most members of this forum to be only scientific validation of a speaker systems. Any other of type assessments or critics are considered subjective opinions, this is a mistake and misleading.

This thread is about DACs.

As for loudspeakers, which really do tend to sound different, a Klippel will give you the most comprehensive view of its objective performance. It won't say you'll like the sound. Studies of listener preference can tell if you if people are likely to prefer the sound, on average. But they too can't say that *you* will like the sound.

Nobody contests this.

This belongs in a different thread, but my quesiton to you would be : What other "scientific validations" of speaker systems do you have in mind?

If you choose to answer, please start a different thread. This one is about DAC sound.

 

[Theta]

You realise that is completely wrong, right?

It is not completely wrong, but you support your business with this message, and as a capitalist I applaud and wish you the best. I see all the products you are touting, they are all good products, but not the only game (or church) in town. I happen to like more creative business models like the Ojas audio's approach. Perhaps I can convince them to participate on this forum. That would give you more material for criticisme on the bases of your approach to Hi Fi marketing. You will, of course respond by saying Science is on your side and who could argue with that? Music is on my side. All the best

 

[BDWoody]

I moved in a few Klippel/speaker posts from the DAC sound signature thread.

 

[Blumlein 88]

What would the oja approach add?

 

[Theta]

For one thing, speakers that don't give up 80% of the manufacturing budget to cabinet maker and automotive painter.

 

[Purité Audio]

Some galleries charge up to 70% commission, ‘art’ has more charlatans than hi-fi.
Keith

 

[Blumlein 88]

For one thing, speakers that don't give up 80% of the manufacturing budget to cabinet maker and automotive painter.

So you go for the psychedelic sound quality touted? It is okay, it is craft (I wouldn't call it art myself). What do you think the guy, is it Devon Turnbull, does that is so noteworthy or of value?

 

[Kip]

Can we call the Richard Clark challenge a sub title.
Yorx + EQ = McIntosh ??

 

[MAB]

Can we call the Richard Clark challenge a sub title.
Yorx + EQ = McIntosh ??

You're thinking of the Bob Carver Challenge.

 

[Theta]

So you go for the psychedelic sound quality touted? It is okay, it is craft (I wouldn't call it art myself). What do you think the guy, is it Devon Turnbull, does that is so noteworthy or of value?

I think he is bringing a new, fresh and unpretentious marketing approach to high end audio retailing.

 

[Purité Audio]

What is that then a collaboration with Klipsch which will be sold in hi-fi shops?
Keith

 

[Blumlein 88]

I think he is bringing a new, fresh and unpretentious marketing approach to high end audio retailing.

I don't see that at all. He is doing his Americanized version of fringe Japanese high end. There were already people doing that in the USA in the 1970s and 1980s. It is just that high end audio became more commercialized and the brands you know mostly squeezed out those people back then. That was a time when if you had esoteric simple gear you normally talked to the owner/designer if you called them. There really was not any marketing just word of mouth and reputation.

 

[JustJones]

Nothing pretentious about this. Only $8500 per speaker.

Frequency Response

51 Hz - 20kHz +/- 3dB

At a Glance​

Crafted through a visionary partnership between acoustic designer Ojas and Klipsch, the limited edition kO-R1 represents the pinnacle of audio collaboration. Handcrafted in Hope, Arkansas, USA, this horn-loaded loudspeaker boasts a captivating multicell design and exquisite Baltic birch cabinetry, ensuring both sonic excellence and visual appeal. Embodying a minimalist ethos, the kO-R1 features bespoke materials and cutting-edge components, including an adjustable horn mount, anodized aluminum binding posts, and anti-vibration rubber feet. A laser-engraved metal ID plate adds a touch of exclusivity, while a five-step high-frequency gain attenuator provides precise sound tuning. Accompanied by Klipsch KS-12 speaker stands for optimal positioning, the kO-R1 is not just a speaker, but a museum-worthy masterpiece that redefines audiophile expectations.

 

[Purité Audio]

Yes nothing in the slightest pretentious there!
Keith

 

[Blumlein 88]

Nothing pretentious about this. Only $8500 per speaker.

Frequency Response

51 Hz - 20kHz +/- 3dB

At a Glance​

Crafted through a visionary partnership between acoustic designer Ojas and Klipsch, the limited edition kO-R1 represents the pinnacle of audio collaboration. Handcrafted in Hope, Arkansas, USA, this horn-loaded loudspeaker boasts a captivating multicell design and exquisite Baltic birch cabinetry, ensuring both sonic excellence and visual appeal. Embodying a minimalist ethos, the kO-R1 features bespoke materials and cutting-edge components, including an adjustable horn mount, anodized aluminum binding posts, and anti-vibration rubber feet. A laser-engraved metal ID plate adds a touch of exclusivity, while a five-step high-frequency gain attenuator provides precise sound tuning. Accompanied by Klipsch KS-12 speaker stands for optimal positioning, the kO-R1 is not just a speaker, but a museum-worthy masterpiece that redefines audiophile expectations.

I also think Paul Klipsch would be rolling over in his grave. He wanted nicely finished speakers, but not the ethos behind anything else in this product.

 

[BDWoody]

Nothing pretentious about this. Only $8500 per speaker.

Why waste potential profits on paying for a more professional finish?

They may look DIY, but at least they are expensive.

 

[Sal1950]

Some galleries charge up to 70% commission, ‘art’ has more charlatans than hi-fi.

Really? Ouch.
I always knew they were a bunch of con-men.
Or ex-con's, not sure which? LOL

 

[Theta]

Why waste potential profits on paying for a more professional finish?

They may look DIY, but at least they are expensive.

The finish is really a matter of taste, granted these speakers will look out of place in a "bourgeois living room". Fans of minimalism "Form follows function" advocates will love this finish.

 

[Blumlein 88]

The finish is really a matter of taste, granted these speakers will look out of place in a "bourgeois living room". Fans of minimalism "Form follows function" advocates will love this finish.

Shouldn't such a finish be inexpensive?

I've made speakers out of mdf. I did either veneer, paint or cover with fabric when done.