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Marchaudio P422 Stereo Power Amplifier Renewed Review

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After massive failure with my previous review(https://audiosciencereview.com/foru...dio-p422-stereo-power-amplifier-review.35969/), I got great technical supports from ASR, Speaker gallery of DC inside, E1DA Discord Channel(@IVX, @staticV3 ) and Marchaudio.
(Detail for the appearance, see previous review post.)

Disclaimer
This is a review and undetailed measurements of the Marchaudio P422 stereo class D power amplifier. It is on kind loan from myself and costs US $1,988.68(P422 $1,675.21 + shipping to South Korea $132.68 + import tax $180.79) as previous

But this time, Marchaudio sent one low power reference load for free.
As 3rd party reviewer, I absolutely guarantee that there was no ask of change direction of review, and the supports has no influence on the review.

P422 is Purifi 1ET400A based amp with custom designed Power supply and buffer board.

Conditions
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Eventually, with AUX-0040 Filter!

and B series APx525 analyzer with AG52 as previous.

When AP connected to Class-D AMP without filter, AP can not fix suitably level, you can hear endless clicking sounds of relays.

Class-D produce signal at switching frequency(far above target measurement frequency range) so AP can't measure them. <- what I've experienced and got bunch of advices from ASR, Marchaudio

that's why I add low noise high linearity low pass filter like AUX-0040

BUT, If you are normal user, YOU NEED TO KNOW that frequency of switching is so high so that signal has no acoustic influence. Of course don't need pricey filters too.
You can simply take them as just AP's issue at all.

Also, Signal chain for the measurement has improved.
APx525 Output - Measurement Target Amp - AUX-0040 Filter - APx525 Input

And the loads
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last time, we saw magnificent non-linearity from low heat capacity load.

This time, I got 8 x 1000 W 16 Ohms

to build
2 Ch 4000 W 4 Ohms
1 Ch 8000 W 2 Ohms
loads.

To validate new dummies

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I compared them with Reference load from March audio.

You can check the load in the lower right corner of the photo.

Let's see.

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APx525 Output - AUX-0040 Filter - APx525 Input
Self check.

Filter works fine.

It shows the limitation of the analyzer.
Near to 109 dB we can't see certainty, Just can encounter huge errors.

so above 100 dB, I can say "We are looking at the measuring equipment itself, not the characteristics of the subject."
that case Actual values can be as good as a few dB or more.

BTW, I have to say sorry about FFT
I should display FFT window with dBrA(peak at 0 dB) not dBV(1 kHz peak is not at 0 dB).
Sorry for the inconvenience.

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5 W 4 Ohm
P422 amp, New Load, 4 Ohm both Ch driven
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5 W 4 Ohm
P422 amp, March's reference load Ch 1, New Load Ch 2 4 Ohm both Ch driven

We can read this result as
1.March's reference load works slightly better than new loads but still reliable.
2.P422 Amp's performance is above APx525 analyzer(We are almost seeing AP itself).
3.P422 Amp has SINAD least over 105dB, I can make vague estimate about 106 to 107 dB(Need for Apx555/Other high-resolution DAC and ADC).

But this high SINAD, you can't hear any THD+N with that hot 1kHz signal, even at the 0dB Ideal full-band 0dB anechoic chamber.
Nowadays, many of well designed electronics are way beyond human hearing.
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5 W 4 Ohm
P422 amp, New Load, 4 Ohm both Ch driven

the Gain
customized spec.
welcome to flat world.
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5 W 4 Ohm
P422 amp, New Load, 4 Ohm both Ch driven

Frequency response
Can you see?

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Look at the scale
Even with 0.1 dB almost no deviation flaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.
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5 W 4 Ohm
P422 amp, New Load, 4 Ohm both Ch driven

Cross talk
Meaningless!
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5 W 4 Ohm
P422 amp, New Load, 4 Ohm

Cross-Cross talk
changed Ch 1 and Ch 2
Meaningless! x 2
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5 W 4 Ohm
P422 amp, New Load, 4 Ohm

Many of Crosstalk
changed Ch 1 and Ch 2 and so son
Meaningless! x 3

It's not P422 AMP's Crosstalk
It's load and analyzers Crosstalk

Again, P422 Amp's performance is above the analyzer+load chaine.


We could only check P422 has normal crosstalk, It indicates that it was made normally(without problem = fine).

IMHO, P422 has very well suppressed crosstalk.

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5 W 4 Ohm
P422 amp, New Load, 4 Ohm both Ch driven

Multitone with dBrA

WOW, look great!

wait, did you see?
My mistake, Averages was only 1 instead of 8.
What a shame.

Floor could be much lower. I'll add multitone Averages : 8 next update.

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5 W 4 Ohm
P422 amp, New Load, 4 Ohm both Ch driven

Same Multitone with dBV
It's cumbersome to look at because the position of peak is not 0dB.

I did same thing all above this. SORRY!

Finally

Main Dish for Power amp measurements

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This is the spec sheet for the Purifi 1ET400A EIGENTAKT amplifier unit.
Since the P422 is made based on this unit, the better the power supply and buffer board are made, the closer to the above performance results,
The worse the performance, the worse the results will be.

to Read this graph(level sweep)
-The higher the worse.(THD+N ratio)
-The farther to the right is the higher the output.(Output Power)

When the output is very low, the signal itself is so small that it is affected by external factors, so it shows a rather high noise + distortion ratio. As the output gradually increases, the signal strength becomes stronger, the purity(in this case, relative strength of the signal = how low the THD+N ratio) increases. To borrow @PeteL 's words "sum of noise and distortion don't increase as fast as the signal level."

Then when it finally reached to output limits, the noise and distortion increase rapid and sharp so do noise + distortion ratio.

A very tight standard takes the performance as the effective output until the point where the sudden increase in noise & distortion begins (the inflection point)
As a general industry standard 1% (little loose), and for audio, 0.1% is used as a standard.


THD+N Ratio value of lowest point depends on performance limitation of analyzer, so pay attention to the location of the inflection point and the power(level).

with impedance
-The lower, the harder to drive.
Amp need to pump more current to load.

-The higher, the easier to drive.
Amp do not need to pump much current to load.

Then let's see P422 @ 4 Ohm

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Look nice.
Let's compare.

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Way higher output than Benchmark AHB 2

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Audiophonics HPA-S400ET shows almost identical value.
Both amp did a nice job.

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Lm Audio MIN400A shows a little quick rise than P422, HPA-S400ET.
It appears to be suffering from Power supply units limitation.

I know, all of us don't wanna see boring 4 Ohms.
2 Ohms for real!

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P422 amp, New Load, 2 Ohm single Ch driven
???!

What?
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Almost 460 W of Clean Pure Power at 2 Ohms!
460 W is just an inflection point!!!!!

@ 0.1% 515 W - 527 W ??!
@ 1% 554 W - 576 W ????!?!

AWESOME!
Power supply did great job!
We can't get closer to amp units limits before Reach power supply's limits with both Ch driven(1000 W rated, but in fact the PSU can handle 1100 W well).

Even with KEF R3, this amp can handle them with ease.

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I'm happy to recommend the Marchaudio P422 Stereo Amplifier.

Although the performance of my measuring equipment was insufficient, so I could not completely measure the amplifier that exceeded the equipment performance, but I could see that the performance of the P422 amplifier was equal to or exceeded that of the APx525 analyzer.

Again, there were some obvious mistakes, but since it is not too difficult to judge the overall performance, I think this measurement is very valid.

I will continue to improve our measuring procedures and equipment, and really honored to post my first valid review. It would not have been possible without the support of the 'DC inside speaker gallery' members who fully supported me and the strong technical supports from ASR members, and I would like to express my special thanks to March Audio for providing the reference dummy load.

(before measurements)Meaningless subjective assessment with my own iron ears(Just cry).

It sound like crystal clear.
and I close my eyes, soon It disappears into the air feels like amp doesn't exist.

Even Otaku-music(hard to drive), it drives well.

(After measurements)
If you have P422, you can hear crystal clear Otaku music with endless cry

@thin bLue ,

I like what you are doing with testing of switching amplifiers.

I have had a similar process confirming amplifier test procedures on my bench. APx555 and AUX 0040 are on my bench

Even the speaker conductors do make a significant difference in the test results. separated single conductors tend to increasing amounts of inductance. Pairs of twisted conductors are an improvement. The Canare star-quad speaker cables as recommended by Benchmark measured best for me.

I worked with the large boxy elevator braking resistors as shown in your photo first, they have distortion of their own. I tried ARCOL automotive braking resistors, they were a bit better in terms of resistor caused distortion. The resistors that measured best for me are large HS300 ARCOL wire wound resistors. @amirm speaks to voltage coefficient of resistance as a cause resistor self generation of distortion. My research tells me in addition to VCR, Thermal coefficient of resistance, TCR has a still larger impact to resistor caused distortion.

Do not blame everything on you APx525B just yet.

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@thin bLue ,

I like what you are doing with testing of switching amplifiers.

I have had a similar process confirming amplifier test procedures on my bench. APx555 and AUX 0040 are on my bench

Even the speaker conductors do make a significant difference in the test results. separated single conductors tend to increasing amounts of inductance. Pairs of twisted conductors are an improvement. The Canare star-quad speaker cables as recommended by Benchmark measured best for me.

I worked with the large boxy elevator braking as shown in your photo first, they have distortion of their own. I tried ARCOL automotive braking resistors, they were a bit better in terms of resistor caused distortion. The resistors that measured best for me are large HS300 ARCOL wire wound resistors. @amirm speaks to voltage coefficient of resistance as a cause resistor self generation of distortion. My research tells me in addition to VCR, Thermal coefficient of resistance, TCR has a still larger impact to resistor caused distortion.

Do not blame everything on you APx525B just yet.

Thanks DT

Thank you for your comments!

Nice to see some more technical supports from ASR

Can you provide some more informations?
Use star-quad to where and what HS300 ARCOL to use(W, Ohms and parallel or series)


And with APx525 with 0040 and 5W level, due to Its Input range, SINAD drops a lot.
(0.32, 1, 3.2, 10, 32, 100 and 300 Vrms. Unlike 555, Theres no 5 Vrms. So it jumps straight up to 10 Vrms)

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22.4k XLR-XLR loop back of APx525 at voltages for 4 Ohm 5 W
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22.4k XLR loopback APx525 with 0040+ at voltages for 4 Ohm 5 W
APx525B loop back 40k.PNG

40k XLR-XLR loopback of APx525 at voltages for 4 Ohm 5 W
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40k XLR-XLR loopback of APx525 at voltages for 4 Ohm 5 W

You can see the SINAD, difference of cable would hard to detected.


For XLR-XLR, I've tested Canare cables I have(black), and that made no meaningful difference with current one.

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Canare L-4E6S
unspecified Copper 9.8 Ohm/100m
Line-Line 150 pF/m
Line-Shield 185 pF/m
Aluminum Shield density 94 %


But, last weekend I purchased diffident cables for future and higher resolution applications



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Gaoncable Archest harmonics

OFC 8.76 Ohm/100m
Line-Line 13 pF/m
Line-Shield 28 pF/m
Coppor Shield density 95%


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These cables could be tested soon.


For power cables

I have SP4-12A, So It can be used.
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For Loads
4 ohm level sweep (2).PNG

4 ohm level sweep (1).PNG

4 ohm before and after


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2 ohm level sweep (1).PNG

4 ohm before and after


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2 ohm level sweep (1).PNG

4 ohm before and after


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2 ohm level sweep (1).PNG

2 ohm before and after

And considering recent 2 Ohm near 1 kW result of P501, Load would be fine enough at least up to 1k peak.

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Marchaudio P501 Power sweep 2 ohms.PNG
If I'm wrong, please tell me !
 
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