Marantz SACD 30n Measurements (SACD Player, DAC & Streamer)

[voodooless]

Come on, it wasn't that broken. Surely not competitive at its price, with not terrible results.

For 44.1 KHz content is definitely is very broken.

 

[Steve Rogers]

Maybe the unexpected grass explains the price tag?

 

[Rja4000]

1) As far as I can see, it is already stated in the title

That would then say "Marantz blabla (SACD Player & DAC)", just like Amir is doing in the review TITLE (I see it's in the review SUBJECT though)

 

[Rja4000]

this is 100% speculation and entirely conditional.

Then just don't give a figure.
"5 or 6dB" seems very objective, while, in fact, it's a (very) wild guess, based on nothing really objective.

Also, why to test at -3dBFS ?
You typically sacrifice 3dB of dynamic range just by doing that.

 

[fricccolodics]

Superb testing! Thx!
Double thx for running the headphone output test!
NIce unit with a bit of a high price, but we always have to keep in mind that average income in Japan is 4x the income in China, so prices in the end have to reflect MADE IN JAPAN-circumstances

 

[stvnharr]

Hi Vintage Flanker,
Thanks so much for the review.
This is the first post Ken Ishiwata Marantz product. I have the swansong unit, the Ruby player.
One thing though minor, the Marantz MMM system first came with the SA-10 player. The SA-11S3 player uses the Burr Brown DSD1792A dac chip.
Folks always go on about price of units, and well.............Marantz has different pricing in different marketing regions. The US is always cheapest, with highest sales volume I assume, and Australia has the highest price and lowest sales volume. Thus this player is $3k in US and $6K in Australia, where I live.
Players may be so "Yesterday" but if one has a large disc collection and wants to play the discs, these Marantz players are good. I really like my Ruby player, and I run it in to a Starkrimson Ultra - great music playback.

 

[morillon]

good morning
I can't always grasp...
I have the impression that sometimes jitter tests are presented using only a 12khz.. or "bi-tone" j-tests
why?
I often find it confusing...
what is it now?

;-)

 

[noel_fs]

at this price point i would have expected A LOT worse

 

[killdozzer]

@VintageFlanker Really great work. This is quite impressive, thank you for all your time and effort.

 

[KxDx]

at this price point i would have expected A LOT worse

That's the irony of this industry, no? We expect worse technical performance as the price increases past $1000!

 

[EJ3]

Nice, just please make photos with normal lighting. These red blue colors are distracting.

If the product interests you, stock pictures are available. Many people have "mood" lighting in their homes, anyway, these days.

 

[TheBatsEar]

Unfortunately, it lacks the Roon Ready certification, but I have been told that the latter should come with a firmware update.​

The device is on the market since late 2000. If that update hasn't appeared yet, it probably never will.

All PCM signals are also unsampled to DSD 11.2Mhz.​

Unsampled to DSD you say? What a time to be alive.

In any case, I would like to address my gratitude to Sound United (AKA Denon/Marantz) for sending me this unit and that way, consenting to third-party verification. This is the kind of transparent behaviour we should expect from any manufacturer.

Indeed, thanks Sound United.

Flanker rating: Competent

Seems to be very nice piece of kit indeed.

Nice review as well, excellent pictures. Looks like LED light and Google Pixels Night mode. Very stylish
Thanks for the measurements.

 

[TheBatsEar]

Nice, just please make photos with normal lighting. These red blue colors are distracting.

Normal photos can be acquired at the manufacturers site. Let the man do something different than the usual drab stuff

However, it is still the most widely available format for purchase of multichannel recordings.

Yet most "better" SACD players don't play it. For example my Yamaha CD-S 1000.
It's my main gripe with the format. Other than that, not audible to me if i have switched to SACD or CD layer.

 

[morillon]

and my question about jitter mesureaments?

 

[McFly]

where do you live mate? the 100hz and subsequent harmonics is likely a harmonic of the units power supply from the mains - you live in a country with 50hz mains supply?

 

[muslhead]

Thank you for this excellent review. I was looking at this for a while and hesitated based upon other, recent reviews that were not so flattering.
Excellent to know they can still manage to make good stuff if they try

 

[morillon]

where do you live mate? the 100hz and subsequent harmonics is likely a harmonic of the units power supply from the mains - you live in a country with 50hz mains supply?

what?
?

we come across standardized j-test..
or that sort of thing
an explanation?
I admit that I see a bit of confusion there.
j-test? juste so noisy we can t see the harmonics of the 250hz?

 

[McFly]

There is also a repeatable peak at 100Hz I cannot explain (about -125/-130dB) that is quiet enough anyway.

Was responding to OP, sorry

 

[Music1969]

Multitone 64
(192Khz, 20Hz-22Khz bandwidth, 10 averages, 262K FFT)

Can you show multitone out to 96kHz, since you used 192k signal already?

Especially since this is upsampling everything to DSD256, it would be nice to see the out of band results.

 

[Putter]

I feel like I'm sh_tting on the parade, but a $3000 SACD player that can't do multichannel with at best inaudible improvements over a few hundred dollar Sony Blu ray. Would it have hurt them to at least had an HDMI out on this piece of audio jewelry?