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Marantz SA-14 measurements

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Hello all,

Last week I was lucky enough to get my hands on a Marantz SA-14 CD/SACD player. It had some issues with the laser pick-up and I was tasked with fixing it. I think this is the highest end CD player I have ever got my hands on. I think it was around 3000USD back in 2002 or 2003. The issue with it was rather easy to fix as the pick-up itself was fine. It just lacked lubrication and that meant that the laser was not sliding smoothly as the disc progressed. After a careful cleaning and lubrication session, it's working fine.

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I think it looks pretty nice inside. I can't say I a big fan of the champagne color and the round screen but I guess it's OK. The thing is rather heavy and most of the weight is coming from the enclosure and the mains transformer. The CD transport is CDM15M and it uses 2x CS4397 DAC chips. As far as I know, this DAC IC was really high performance back then.
Needless to say, I was expecting some good results when it came to measurements and here we go...

THD+N at 1kHz 0 dB:

SA14_1kHz_0dB_left.jpg

This is very good. This is the best I measured so far and it's pretty close to the -96dB limit of what an audio CD can deliver. THD is not very low for today's standards at -98.3dB but for 2002 it's very good and coupled with pretty low noise, we have a THD+N of -95dB (the CS4397 datasheet is saying -100dB THD+N, so pretty close to spec). The third harmonic limits the THD measurement. This measurement is from the left channel. The right one is a bit worse at -94.5dB (still very good). I also want to mention that I'm using the RCA outputs for now. I want to perform some measurements on the XLR outputs as well but this will be at a later stage.

THD+N at 1kHz and -6dB:

SA14_1kHz_-6dB_left.jpg

Still very good.

Multitone:

SA14_multi_left.jpg

This is very good as well. There is a slight hump at low frequencies but the amplitude is rather low, below -100dB. I'm, wondering if this is not caused by the external transformer I'm using to power it. It's a device that comes from Japan and it needs 100Vac and I use a transformer from 230Vac for this purpose.

Jitter looks good as well:

SA14_jitter.jpg


Filter response:

SA14_filter.jpg

Out of band attenuation is very good at around -100dB. I noticed that the unit has a filter switch on the back but I did not play with it as it has a plastic thing that locks it into the standard position. I did not look into this for now.

Now some IMD measurements:

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This looks very good. IMD is low and well controlled.

The "inter-sample overs":

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And the table with the other two units I measured so far:

CD player
5512.5 Hz sine,
Peak = +0.69dBFS
7350 Hz sine,
Peak = +1.25dBFS
11025 Hz sine,
Peak = +3.0dBFS
Marantz CD52mk2 - SE
-34dB​
-27.6dB​
-16.2dB​
Marantz CD67mk2
-37.6dB​
-29.1dB​
-19.3dB​
Marantz SA-14
-47dB
-32.6dB
-21.4dB

Here is the THD vs frequency:

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There is a slight bump at low frequencies, but other than that, it looks very good.

And here is the detailed frequency response:

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Conclusion:

The results are very good in my opinion and this is the best measuring unit I had the pleasure to test. I admit I did not test many so far :). I enjoyed listening to the unit and the sound is detailed, crisp and clear, as shown by the measurements. Weather this justifies the cost, that is another topic and I don't know what to say. @NTTY measured the Denon DCD-900NE and it performed very well and the cost is considerably lower than this Marantz. It does look "high-end" and it measures in the same way but I'm not a big fan of the round screen. Looking online, units from Japan sell around 1500USD to which you have to add shipping and tax, and that is a lot if you compare it to the Denon DCD-900NE that sells for new at around 500USD.

Agian, many thanks to @NTTY for providing the test CD and the help and suppot. Highly appreciated!
 

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I think their board design is sexier than the exterior. They need much better industrial design. The round read out is a little bit steam punk and just does not work or make sense on any of their equipment. The latest Marantz iterations are a little better.
 
It's a beautiful device indeed.

Maybe I'm clueless, but it's strange to see fuses in a modern piece of digital audio gear that doesn't have any power outputs. Is it just regulatory, or is there an actual engineering reason for it?
 
It's a beautiful device indeed.

Maybe I'm clueless, but it's strange to see fuses in a modern piece of digital audio gear that doesn't have any power outputs. Is it just regulatory, or is there an actual engineering reason for it?
Well there's a number of power supplies in there, and this is an expensive unit. So if one of those power supplies goes haywire, it's cheaper to replace a 99¢ fuse than replace the whole board. If it blows the fuse after replacement you ( or your tech ) can troubleshoot that particular power supply and or load circuit and it'll be fixed. Without the fuse, the whole board could be destroyed in some circumstances. Error on the side of caution.
 
Well there's a number of power supplies in there, and this is an expensive unit. So if one of those power supplies goes haywire, it's cheaper to replace a 99¢ fuse than replace the whole board. If it blows the fuse after replacement you ( or your tech ) can troubleshoot that particular power supply and or load circuit and it'll be fixed. Without the fuse, the whole board could be destroyed in some circumstances. Error on the side of caution.
Ok, that's fair. But call me a cynic - I just assumed that when you're paying flagship prices, the cost already bakes in the occasional full-unit replacement, not just swapping out subsystems. So having a fail-safe like this feels a bit redundant.

That said, I’ll admit I have no clue about the economics or manufacturing behind these things.
 
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Hello all,

Last week I was lucky enough to get my hands on a Marantz SA-14 CD/SACD player. It had some issues with the laser pick-up and I was tasked with fixing it. I think this is the highest end CD player I have ever got my hands on. I think it was around 3000USD back in 2002 or 2003. The issue with it was rather easy to fix as the pick-up itself was fine. It just lacked lubrication and that meant that the laser was not sliding smoothly as the disc progressed. After a careful cleaning and lubrication session, it's working fine.

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I think it looks pretty nice inside. I can't say I a big fan of the champagne color and the round screen but I guess it's OK. The thing is rather heavy and most of the weight is coming from the enclosure and the mains transformer. The CD transport is CDM15M and it uses 2x CS4397 DAC chips. As far as I know, this DAC IC was really high performance back then.
Needless to say, I was expecting some good results when it came to measurements and here we go...

THD+N at 1kHz 0 dB:

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This is very good. This is the best I measured so far and it's pretty close to the -96dB limit of what an audio CD can deliver. THD is not very low for today's standards at -98.3dB but for 2002 it's very good and coupled with pretty low noise, we have a THD+N of -95dB (the CS4397 datasheet is saying -100dB THD+N, so pretty close to spec). The third harmonic limits the THD measurement. This measurement is from the left channel. The right one is a bit worse at -94.5dB (still very good). I also want to mention that I'm using the RCA outputs for now. I want to perform some measurements on the XLR outputs as well but this will be at a later stage.

THD+N at 1kHz and -6dB:

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Still very good.

Multitone:

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This is very good as well. There is a slight hump at low frequencies but the amplitude is rather low, below -100dB. I'm, wondering if this is not caused by the external transformer I'm using to power it. It's a device that comes from Japan and it needs 100Vac and I use a transformer from 230Vac for this purpose.

Jitter looks good as well:

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Filter response:

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Out of band attenuation is very good at around -100dB. I noticed that the unit has a filter switch on the back but I did not play with it as it has a plastic thing that locks it into the standard position. I did not look into this for now.

Now some IMD measurements:

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This looks very good. IMD is low and well controlled.

The "inter-sample overs":

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And the table with the other two units I measured so far:

CD player
5512.5 Hz sine,
Peak = +0.69dBFS
7350 Hz sine,
Peak = +1.25dBFS
11025 Hz sine,
Peak = +3.0dBFS
Marantz CD52mk2 - SE
-34dB​
-27.6dB​
-16.2dB​
Marantz CD67mk2
-37.6dB​
-29.1dB​
-19.3dB​
Marantz SA-14
-47dB
-32.6dB
-84.1dB

I'm missing a detailed frequency response image and a THD+N vs frequency measurement. I will update the post with these measurements when I get the chance to perform them.

Conclusion:

The results are very good in my opinion and this is the best measuring unit I had the pleasure to test. I admit I did not test many so far :). I enjoyed listening to the unit and the sound is detailed, crisp and clear, as shown by the measurements. Weather this justifies the cost, that is another topic and I don't know what to say. @NTTY measured the Denon DCD-900NE and it performed very well and the cost is considerably lower than this Marantz. It does look "high-end" and it measures in the same way but I'm not a big fan of the round screen. Looking online, units from Japan sell around 1500USD to which you have to add shipping and tax, and that is a lot if you compare it to the Denon DCD-900NE that sells for new at around 500USD.

Agian, many thanks to @NTTY for providing the test CD and the help and suppot. Highly appreciated!
Is that a choke that comes between the power switch (on the pcb) and the transformer?
 
Excellent built quality.
 
Thank you for the review Horia!

Did you use the beta version of REW?

This is a good player indeed! I see only some interactions between high frequencies test tones and some low level distortion from 50Hz to 100Hz. It particularly shows with the Multitone test (and Jitter test too), and that’s what is limiting the theoretical resolution of this player, but it’s of no consequences since it will remain hidden into music, especially at these frequencies.

Some other comments about the measurements:
- Use dBr instead of dBFS scale, it will provide you with a more consistent view of the noise and distorsion relative to the signal.
- Since the player is acting as the generator (with the test CD), you need to manually adjust REW’s generator by opening it and selecting the same test currently played, so REW processes correctly in the RTA measurement window. No need to play the test with the generator, just selecting it allows RTA to adjust the calculation.
- For the intersample overs, the third file (11’025Hz) contains 5 subsequent tests, @-1dBFS, 0dBFS, +1dBFS, +2dBFS and +3dBFS. They last only 15sec each, and so only the last 15sec provide you with the resistance to the worst case scenario (+3dB over). I see what you reported is not the worst case since the player starts clipping already at +1dB. Adjust the input of your interface too, with a lower gain as this last test is likely to saturate it too (I see you have only 2dB gain headroom on all measurements, so I recommend you lower it by 2 more dB to prevent clipping your ADC).
- You can use the 19997Hz test tone to compute the clock deviation, if you want to. Report the frequency as seen in RTA in the dedicated excel tab so it provides the results in ppm.

Cheers
 
I'm going to throw a little spanner in the works and suggest that most of the cost of this thing is actually in the metalwork, rather than the design itself. The boards do look nicely done, however, whatever the design actually is...

The mech looks to be similar if posher and suffering from the same things the cheap plastic versions do/did - dried lube on the laster-sled runners (I had a Technics 600 here a while back which tracked fine except the first playing of any disc, the thing 'jumping once' after a minute or so of the first track. Cleaning off the old grease fixed it).
 
I'm going to throw a little spanner in the works and suggest that most of the cost of this thing is actually in the metalwork, rather than the design itself. The boards do look nicely done, however, whatever the design actually is...

The mech looks to be similar if posher and suffering from the same things the cheap plastic versions do/did - dried lube on the laster-sled runners (I had a Technics 600 here a while back which tracked fine except the first playing of any disc, the thing 'jumping once' after a minute or so of the first track. Cleaning off the old grease fixed it).
Back when this player was built, these materials, copper (5x lower) and aluminum were much cheaper and the costs for metalworking and milling were a joke compared to today.
 
Filter response:

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Out of band attenuation is very good at around -100dB. I noticed that the unit has a filter switch on the back but I did not play with it as it has a plastic thing that locks it into the standard position. I did not look into this for now.
The Marantz SA-14 is also an SA-CD player. The purpose of the switch at the back of the unit is to choose between two ultrasonic low-pass filters depending on the performance of the associated pre-amplifier/amplifier.
 
It's amazing what a little bit of lubrication can do. :cool:
I've reactivated more than 100 CD, DVD, and SACD players in my life by cleaning the laser guide rods and lubricating them with thin lithium grease.
The same applies to worn-out belts on the drawer mechanism and drive. In many repair shops, this can quickly cost a small three-figure sum.
 
This Marantz is clearly one of their high-end models, it has their signature internal copper chassis and copper transformers shielding addition to cooper screws. $3k USD ain't cheap, especially if you compare it with the Chinese wares that measures superbly.

For a 2002/2003 unit, the measured specs are considered excellent even for today's standards. This goes to show you that Marantz is one of the few mainstream high-end brands that actually isn't just aesthetics, which this has a load of.

I think for people like me, where aesthetics, built quality and craftsmanship matters, this is a win.
 
This Marantz is clearly one of their high-end models, it has their signature internal copper chassis and copper transformers shielding addition to cooper screws. $3k USD ain't cheap, especially if you compare it with the Chinese wares that measures superbly.
Sony, among other brands, used to employ copper plating and/or pure copper for the chassis and other components in their highest end players.

The price of copper would make that too cost prohibitive to do so today.

However, why do it at all, other than to increase the material cost? Just to make the inside look pretty? There are plenty of other, cheaper non-magnetic metals/alloys they could have used for EMI/RFI shielding, etc.
 
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