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Marantz CINEMA 70s AVR - Teardown, personal thoughts and a few measurements

Thank you very much for your response. I know there has been an upgrade to their "basic" phono preamps which now use FETs (2SK2145) between input and Opamp (see PM7000n diagram). As far as I know, this upgrade has been implemented on the PM6007 (PM6006 still without FETs, see diagram). I was curious whether this upgrade has also been implemented on the Cinema 70S. Too bad there are no longer service manuals available for download.
Thanks again and I look forward to hearing from you.

As you said, they didn't make SM available anymore so it is not possible to know the answer. Logically speaking though, it is hard to imagine they would implement that 2SK2145 thing in their lowest cost AVR, namely the Cinema 70, when they didn't even bother doing it in the PM6006 and the two channel receiver like the NR1200.

My educated guess is that the Cinema 70, like the PM6006, 6007, would not have that extra preamp stage.


Sorry, you didn't ask the following (I just found it interesting) so feel free to ignore..

Practically speaking, I wouldn't consider adding that FET stage is necessarily an upgrade anyway, Marantz seems to like to find something to precondition some audiophiles who would then have reason to think with such additions (HDAMs are the other example) would be the reason why they heard the so called Marantz sound, when all those who head such "sound" would likely not bother digging in further, by for example, doing their own AB after take precautions to remove bias, but any such talks would be moved to anther thread so I should stop lol.. In this case, at least the FET stage appear to have resulted in slightly better noise specs (probably only a few dB if based on the same input level) and tighter FR (only 0.5 dB, but...), so it imo it is a better solution than the tons of HDAMs used in their higher end integrated models.

In terms of transparency, nothing would change since they have the same Opamps and volume control ICs in the signal path anyway, so if anything, that extra stage is probably there so Marantz can claim (hence a good reason for their fans) the intended sound signature that fans with great hearing could detect it due to the altered frequency response. It is sort of hit and miss though because in such cases, personal preference of specific FR will matter, some may prefer the PM800X and higher integrated models that don't use the same technique and tend to rely on the more sophisticated HDAM implementations that are not found in their lower end products such as the AVRs, and two channel receivers.

Anyway, my guess is that if you are talking about the Cinema 70, it's phono stage will perform the same as the other Marantz, and Denon AVRs based on schematics, block diagrams from previously available SMs, obviously this is only a guess, but an educated one based on logic and circumstantial evidence.

Comparing their specs:

The PM7000N does seem to have better specs in terms of transparency, assuming it does not have additional distortions from the extra FET stage (it likely has though).

PM7000N:
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it is hard to imagine they would implement that 2SK2145 thing in their lowest cost AVR, namely the Cinema 70
MM phono input probably existed till today, only because it is cheap. Inexpensive dual opamp should be good enough anyway. Could be different for MC cartridge.
 
MM phono input probably existed till today, only because it is cheap. Inexpensive dual opamp should be good enough anyway. Could be different for MC cartridge.
Agreed, it's sort of a Marantz thing, such as claiming the discrete hdam opamps sounds more musical then IC opammps, and ignore certain facts along the line(lie) too. They know as long as they give people a reason or 2, some people will believe it. In this case though, at least it seems credible on paper, on the noise part.
 
Thank you @trl for such an in depth review. I'm right at the end of my return window on my C70s. I bought it for the slim form factor and am horrified at the results you all have gotten. While I don't understand a large portion of the measurements I do notice that my beloved A/D/S L1290 speakers seem to have lost their soundstage while listening to two channel. There is just no magic when the chorus of Neil Young's Old Man comes in. I have a vintage Sansui AU-9500 that sounds incredible in the same room.

In regards to the poor SINAD measurements, would using an external 2 (or 3) channel amp be an improvement or are those poor measurements being taken from the front preouts?
 
Thank you @trl for such an in depth review. I'm right at the end of my return window on my C70s. I bought it for the slim form factor and am horrified at the results you all have gotten. While I don't understand a large portion of the measurements I do notice that my beloved A/D/S L1290 speakers seem to have lost their soundstage while listening to two channel. There is just no magic when the chorus of Neil Young's Old Man comes in. I have a vintage Sansui AU-9500 that sounds incredible in the same room.

In regards to the poor SINAD measurements, would using an external 2 (or 3) channel amp be an improvement or are those poor measurements being taken from the front preouts?
The SINAD at the preouts is about 90 dB: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/marantz-cinema-70s-avr-review.50334/
 
Thank you @trl for such an in depth review. I'm right at the end of my return window on my C70s. I bought it for the slim form factor and am horrified at the results you all have gotten. While I don't understand a large portion of the measurements I do notice that my beloved A/D/S L1290 speakers seem to have lost their soundstage while listening to two channel. There is just no magic when the chorus of Neil Young's Old Man comes in. I have a vintage Sansui AU-9500 that sounds incredible in the same room.

In regards to the poor SINAD measurements, would using an external 2 (or 3) channel amp be an improvement or are those poor measurements being taken from the front preouts?
What volume are you listening? The only difference to a separate amp I would possibly hear would be at high volume. It sounds a bit strained which might be related to clipping.
 
Hi guys, the attention this receiver has gotten here has piqued my interest and If I could see a summary of the preamp performance by itself since I intend to use external amps with it, it would be enormously helpful. For my purposes, 50 w/ch is like a boatload of lawyers at the bottom of the ocean...a good start. :) No offense to good lawyers intended. You know who you are. All the reviews seem to focus on the unit as a whole thus making a judgement about its capability as a pre/pro a huge question. Can anyone address this?
 
Not very high temps, but still a bit higher than I'd like to see in my amplifier, at least when listening to higher levels on all 7 channels. However, I temporarily placed on top a cheap 120mm low-height 12V fan, recovered from an old computer case, powered at 5V straight from the front USB port via an USB cable. I've used some rubber feet (orange/white) to absorb the "windy" noise and any possible vibrations and now the fan it's very quiet, even late evenings with no audio played I can't hear it. Now the case is completely cool, even on very high volume levels. Unfortunately, the USB power stays ON forever, even if I place the CINEMA 70s in stand-by, but I always use Tuya/Alexa compatible power outlets, so I power On/Off my Hi-Fi devices via Alexa.

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Temporarily fan placed on top of the CINEMA 70s

A fan can also be installed inside with ease and 7V can be obtain from the one of the KIA 7807 power regulators nearby, but I'll see about that when the warranty will end.
Very clever solution to cooling things down. I am strongly considering one of these for my bedroom system. I don't need a ton of power there and the speakers used are fairly efficient ~ 90 db-ish. Its appealing to have something sonically adequate that isn't a power hog to satisfy late night viewing requirements and/or background music.
 
Marantz CINEMA 70s AVR has been recently reviewed by @amirm here and I had it purchased online a couple of hours prior to the above review to be published on ASR. Also, audio.com.pl had it reviewed earlier as well.

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Front side with the Inputs selector

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Front side with the Volume rotary knob

I bought it for improving movies listening experience in an audio surround environment, for its PRE-OUT outputs for all its 7 channels, but also because it was the only AVR with a low height I’ve seen on the market at a reasonable price. I paid for it 646 EUR on amazon.de with free shipping, so it’s an OK price I’d say. I had it connected to a couple of Canton GLE 496 as Front speakers, one Magnat S 14C as Center, a couple of JBL Control 28-1 as Surrounds, a couple of JBL Control 23-1 as Front Height / Atmos and a SVS SB-3000 subwoofer.

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Rear view with the PRE-OUT outputs

For those willing to read the Datasheet can have a look here or to the infosheet here, while the Owner’s Manual can be read here while its PDF version can be download from here.

I did like the way it was packed inside, very organised and all items were safely arranged in there, without using a lot of cardboard, but also protecting just fine the inside equipment and accessories. The corners were also perfectly protected and the cardboard was of a good quality and hard to bend. The new design of the CINEMA series is definitely better than the old one that I have known for a couple of decades. A TV attached would be needed to set everything up, as the AVR will not operate otherwise, not even as a stereo amplifier. So, all relays will remain open until the setup gets finished.

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Top shot of the packaging

The startup takes about 30 seconds, probably a bit longer than I was expecting, but this is something normal for all contemporary AVRs that are filled with several chips inside and each chip has its own startup time, then they all need to sync together and work in such a way a central microprocessor tells them to.

The Setup menus are similar to other’s AVRs from the market, with lots of settings from where you can set up both Audio and Video, but also the ubiquitous Audyssey settings from where you calibrate your audio setup, but you can also manually modify the calibrated audio measurements as per your liking. An ADC chip, I wasn't able yet to identify it, is handling the analogue Mic-input for the Audyssey microphone, so the AVR to be able to calibrate its sound by reprogramming the settings inside the DSP chips to modify the audio coming from each speaker in a way to make for the listener the best audio experience for its home theatre. It basically corrects phase issues, timing between channels, volume levels, but it also has a parametric equalizer that corrects deeps and peaks to flatten the sound and to make it sound as good as a "reference" audio system

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Very accurate distance measurements, except for the subwoofer where it's not 4.74 m, instead it's 3.80 m

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Speakers levels after Audyssey calibration can later be modified if needed

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High pass filters for each set of speakers can also be adjusted by the user

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Bass LFE crossover can be adjusted later if needed

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Bass can be extracted from the Front channels as well and the crossover frequency can be manually altered when needed

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Audissey EQ curve from my CINEMA 70s in my living room

The Power On Level can be set to a desired value between 1 and 98 or to Mute or to Last, but it can also be set to a hard limit between 60 and 80 which might be a good thing if you don’t want someone else to increase the max. volume past this level. I set it up myself to 80 which is a reasonable high value for my living room and this way will ensure that the amplifier itself will not overheat and our hearing will not be damaged at the same time.

When I want to listen louder I connect the PRE-OUT of the Front channels to my Yamaha A-S701 external amplifier, this way the internal power supply of the CINEMA 70s will be able to deliver more current to the remaining five channels achieving lower distortions for the output stages. The volume level for the A-S701 I need to set it up to precisely 12:30 o’clock to match the exact output level of the CINEMA 70s, then I set master volume through the CINEMA 70s’s volume knob that will change the volume on all the five channels and on the two Front PRE-OUTs connected to A-S701 at the same time.

The case is not grounded and the power plug is also a 2-pin model, so the amplifier is an IEC Class 2 device, more details here. However, there is a dedicated grounding screw on the backside, but this is most likely to get all the audio sources to the same potential in case of hum noises.

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Bottom part of the mains plug

An audio DSP chip made by Cirrus Logic CS49844A-CQZ is located on the main board. As per manufacturer wrote: “The DSPs support all legacy DVD audio codecs and all Blu-ray Disc® audio formats, along with enough DSP capacity to support a wide variety of concurrent post processing algorithms all in a single chip without need for external memory”, so I suppose it’s used to decode all 70s’s audio formats for music playing.


Another chip marked R5F564MJCDFC, from the RX64M family of MCU’s manufactured by Renesas, is a 120-MHz 32-bit RX MCU with on-chip FPU, a 3 Mbytes internal flash memory and 512 Kbytes RAM. It seems to be taking care of Ethernet communications and USB communications too.

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The microcontroller that seems to take care of Ethernet and UCB communications

A Pango PGC1KG 6CFBG256 programmable chip is part of the Compa series of FPGA chips (see also https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/understanding-fpgas.249/) “suitable for system configuration, interface expansion and bridging, board-level power management, power-on sequence management, and sensor fusion. and other application requirements, it is widely used in communications, consumer electronics, drones, industrial control and other fields”. It supports 1276 LUT4 operations and 1595 flip-flop numbers.

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The FCPGA chips that takes care of main board operations

A Panasonic MN864788 integrated circuit is most likely handling the remote control operations, but it’s hard to find the datasheet for this chip, nor schematic examples using it. However, it appears to be widely used in Denon / Marantz receivers.

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The microcontroller that seems to take care of IR remote operations

Four PCM5102A and one PCM5100A DAC chips are handling digital to analogue audio streams decoding for all the 7+2 channels.

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The DAC chips that handles Digital to Analogue conversion of the audio streams
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PCM510xA DAC chips specs differences

The mains AC voltage that comes from the transformer is regulated by a 25A D25XB60 bridge rectifier followed by a couple of 6800 uF / 63V @105C electrolytic capacitors.

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The two 6800 @ 105C filtering electrolytic capacitors following the AC / DC bridge rectifier

There are a few 3-pin fixed linear regulators, manufactured by KIA Semiconductor Technology, following the above bridge rectifier, like 7805 for the +5V rail, 7807 for +7V and 7907 for -7V, that along with many other smaller regulators from the electronic boards are providing power to all the stages of this AV, but also to the relays and to logic components from the main board.

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The AC / DC bridge rectifier and the linear regulators around


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A couple of fuses that located around the bridge rectifier

The output power stage is built around seven pairs of complementary Darlington transistors: SANKEN 2SB1560 being PNP and SANKEN 2SD2390 being NPN. These are 10 A and 150 W powerful transistors used in many AV receivers, some of them having twice CINEMA 70s’s power, so at least in theory, with a beefier power supply and with active cooling this AVR could be transformed into a more powerful one, tough some say that the on-die biasing resistor might get damaged in case of overheating. Not just Denon / Marantz are using these transistors models, but also Pioneer, Onkyo, Cambridge Audio and perhaps other manufacturers too.

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A pair of SANKEN 2SB1560/2SD2390 Darlington transistors from the output stage

Below there is a schematic with the amplifier inside the Onkyo A-9010 AVR that is built around the same 2SB1560/2SD2390 pair of transistor, that seems to have a similar output power as the reviewed one:

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Onkyo A-9010 Audio Video Receiver ampilfier schematic

There is an Auto Power Off feature implemented in CINEMA 70s that takes care of two zones independently: Main zone consists of five internal amplifiers 5ch+Sub1, while Zone 2 consists of the remaining two internal amplifiers 2ch+Sub2 from Surround Back R+L, but it can also take care of all 7.2 channels, depending on the settings we choose from the Settings menu. This will ensure that when we're listening to 5.1 environment the remaining couple of channels could get into a stand-by mode and vice-versa, when we listen to Zone 2 stereo speakers the remaining 5 channels will get into a low power state according to the Power Off settings we set up. Basically, if the AVR is not going to be used for the no. of minutes/hours that was setup earlier then it will automatically shut off entirely or only one of the two Zones.

Another energy saving feature is also the Eco Mode that allows energy saving when set to ON. With Eco Mode set to OFF I measured an idle power consumption between 25.8-27 W, while with Eco Mode set to ON it got lowered to 18.5-19 W, so quite a low idling power consumption for an AVR. Exactly the same 18-19 W value I was getting while listening to a low power level late evening. Compared with my stereo amplifier (Yamaha A-S701) that has an idle power consumption of about 20-25 W, the CINEMA 70s with its 27 W seems resonable to me, especially the 17 W value with Eco Mode turned ON).

Eco Mode setting turned to OFF

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Eco Mode setting turned to ON

For those willing to use this AVR on moderate levels for watching movies I think they might experiment with different power levels until they find the “sweat spot” that will better blend energy consumption and output power. However, below are a few Eco Mode ON vs. OFF measurements and my 2 cents thoughts as well.

With Eco Mode turned OFF I measured on Front outputs a SINAD of 75.1 dB at about 5 W / 4 Ohms and turning this feature ON lowered the SINAD to 59.7 dB, so a decrease of about 15 dB in SINAD and also in THD+N. Similar measurements done for about 21.5 W @ 4 Ohms showed that SINAD decreases from 80.7 dB to 43.5 dB, meaning a difference of 37.2 dB, so increasing the volume when Eco Mode is turned OFF may not be a good idea, unless energy consumption matters more than audio quality.

I was able to measure at 5 W / 4 Ohms (approx. 4.5-4.6 V RMS @ 4.1 Ohms) a SINAD of 75.1 dB on the Front Right channel and about 69.9 dB on the Front Left channel, a SINAD of 78.5 dB on the Surround Right channel and 77.5 dB on the Surround Left channel. It's interesting to see that the Surround channels are a bit better in terms of SINAD / THD+N than the Front ones, kind of unexpected.

Increasing the volume a bit more, to about 22 W / 4 Ohms (approx. 9.4-9.4 V RMS @ 4.1 Ohms) improves SINAD results to 80.6 dB for the Front Right channel and to -73 dB for the Left one, while the Surround gets to -80.8 dB for the Right channel.

What's very interesting is the difference between the SINAD figures when comparing ECO Mode OFF vs. ON. For the Right Front channel there's an increase from 75.1 dB to 59.7 dB @ 5W and from 80.7 dB to 43.5 dB, so much worse than the distortions at 5 W, which is quite normal given that enabling the ECO Mode feature means lowering the voltage for the output stage. To summarise, the ECO feature does a good job for low output levels up to 10W / channel, while for higher output levels it should be left OFF or to AUTO to ensure that the distortions will not become audible. Worth mentioning that a SINAD of 43.5 dB means 0.668%, but most people don't perceive distortions if below 1%.

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Front channel Right, SINAD of 75.1 dB, 5W @4Ohms, Eco Mode OFF

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Front channel Right, SINAD of 59.7 dB, 5W @4Ohms, Eco Mode ON

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Front channel Right, SINAD of 80.7 dB, 21.5W @4Ohms, Eco Mode OFF

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Front channel Right, SINAD of 43.5 dB, 21.5W @4Ohms, Eco Mode ON

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Surround Right channel, SINAD of 78.5 dB, 5W @4Ohms, Eco Mode OFF

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Surround Right channel, SINAD of 80.8 dB, 21.5W @4Ohms, Eco Mode OFF
I haven't noticed a better SINAD result when using Pure Direct, though the "skirt" around the fundamental signal disappears completely with Pure Direct pushed, so the output signal is cleaner when Pure Direct is pushed, although this doesn’t change the final THD+N results.

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Pure Direct on Front channel Right, SINAD of 74.7 dB, 5W @4Ohms, Eco Mode OFF


How is Marantz / Denon achieving such an energy saving with this Eco Mode feature? They added a rather big and powerful relay HF115F / 012-2ZS4A 8A/250VAC on the main board that seems to switch on-the-fly from one winding of the transformer to another one, decreasing the AC voltage that powers the bridge rectifier shown a few paragraphs above. I measured 96.5 VDC on +/- rails of the bridge when Eco Mode is turned OFF and 38.53 VDC with this setting turned ON, an unexpected big difference. What’s important is that turning the Eco Mode OFF is indeed saving a lot of energy. Another example is when I was listening to a rather compressed song to a bit over 90 dB peaks and I’ve noticed that by turning the Eco Mode ON decreased energy consumption from 96 W to 47 W maintaining the same output level; audibly it was very difficult for me to notice the increase in distortions, although focusing only on the bass I think it was a slight difference.

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DC voltage with Eco Mode turned OFF

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DC voltage with Eco Mode turned ON

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The relay for ECO Mode setting is in the bottom-right of the image\

Below I'm posting a few pics with the internals. I find the modular design and implementation to be easier to service, at least for the authorised repair services where they simply swap the defective module with a new one.

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The AC transformer is on the left, the 14 powerful output transistors are on the bottom

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On the mid-left, with heatsink on top, there is the MBBVOP13082E module that takes care of wireless comms.
On the right there is the small power supply that takes care of powering the device On / Off.


When listening loudly to music tracks on all 7 channels, the inside temperature of the hottest components from the upper board gets to 60 - 63 C, while the output stage’s heatsink reaches 53 - 56 C, with top case taken off; I expect with the case back on and with the AVR placed in small cabinet / rack or inside the furniture things to get much hotter inside, with at least 10 C more, especially when listening to music on all 7 speakers.


Given the passive cooling of the CINEMA 70s, I would recommend this AVR to be placed on a well ventilated place, same being recommended by the manufacturer as well, as per Owner’s Manual (PDF manual here):

“Power turns off and the protection circuit indicator flashes in orange approx. every 2 seconds.
  • The protection circuit has been activated due to a rise in temperature within this unit. Turn the power off, wait about an hour until this unit cools down sufficiently, and then turn the power on again. (v p. 276)
  • Please re-install this unit in a place having good ventilation.”

Marantz CINEMA 70s also has more protections in place that turns the device OFF in case of a short-circuit on the speaker cables or in case one of the speakers gets accidentally removed while playing, as per below:

“Power turns off and the protection circuit indicator flashes in orange approx. every 0.5 seconds.
  • Check the speaker connections. The protection circuit may have been activated because speaker cable core wires came in contact with each other or a core wire was disconnected from the connector and came in contact with the rear panel of this unit. After unplugging the power cord, take corrective action such as firmly re-twisting the core wire or taking care of the connector, and then reconnect the wire. (v p. 34)
  • Turn down the volume and turn on the power again. (v p. 70)
  • This unit’s amplifier circuit has failed. Unplug the power cord and contact our customer service center.”
Thank you for reading and I'm wishing Merry Christmas to all Christians and Happy Hollidays and a Happy New Year to all of us!
Fantastic work and review! I wished someone would do the same for the Cinema 30!
 
Hi guys, the attention this receiver has gotten here has piqued my interest and If I could see a summary of the preamp performance by itself since I intend to use external amps with it, it would be enormously helpful. For my purposes, 50 w/ch is like a boatload of lawyers at the bottom of the ocean...a good start. :) No offense to good lawyers intended. You know who you are. All the reviews seem to focus on the unit as a whole thus making a judgement about its capability as a pre/pro a huge question. Can anyone address this?

If you don't need more than 7.1 channel, and don't want the benefits of Audyssey XT32 SubEQHT, and the possobility to use DLBC, then it may be a good option as a preamp processor.

Otherwise, I think the Denon AVR-X3800H or the Cinema 50 (if in Europe or Asia) are far superior. Or if low profile is a must, then it may be the only option.
 
If you don't need more than 7.1 channel, and don't want the benefits of Audyssey XT32 SubEQHT, and the possobility to use DLBC, then it may be a good option as a preamp processor.

Otherwise, I think the Denon AVR-X3800H or the Cinema 50 (if in Europe or Asia) are far superior. Or if low profile is a must, then it may be the only option.
While I like the compact form factor of the c70, I dont have any issues with using a full size box. Do you think the performance advantages are worth stepping up to a unit that is more than twice the price of the C70? Particularly since the internal amps wont get used for the foreseeable future. And one further question, will the internal amps in the C50 drive 4 ohm loads with no problem? One of my speaker choices is 4 ohm and the other 6 ohms. I consider the internal amps as backup for the eventual 'service required' situation that can pop up on external amps. I know Yamaha has an issue with 4 ohm loads in their current receivers which I find incredibly stupid on their part...there are so many 4 ohm speakers on the market, I scarcely know where to start. Yamaha shot themselves in the foot when they did that.
 
While I like the compact form factor of the c70, I dont have any issues with using a full size box. Do you think the performance advantages are worth stepping up to a unit that is more than twice the price of the C70? Particularly since the internal amps wont get used for the foreseeable future. And one further question, will the internal amps in the C50 drive 4 ohm loads with no problem? One of my speaker choices is 4 ohm and the other 6 ohms. I consider the internal amps as backup for the eventual 'service required' situation that can pop up on external amps. I know Yamaha has an issue with 4 ohm loads in their current receivers which I find incredibly stupid on their part...there are so many 4 ohm speakers on the market, I scarcely know where to start. Yamaha shot themselves in the foot when they did that.
When people talk about excessive heat on Marantz new line of AV Receivers, I realize that they just changed their front, because this issue is well known on earlier models, like the SR6015. And, once there are only two main brands today (Denon/Marantz vs Onkyo/Pioneer/Integra), the models are very similar. On the attached pdf, click on each image to reach the product page.
 

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This is both interesting and alarming…most of our choices of the past have been rendered moot and so now it begs the question, are there any GOOD receivers now? That can actually deliver good power without failing because of insufficient heat sinks? That are good sounding and low noise? And what is the price of entry?
 
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