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Marantz Cinema 70s AVR Review

Rate this AVR:

  • 1. Poor (headless panther)

    Votes: 188 60.5%
  • 2. Not terrible (postman panther)

    Votes: 87 28.0%
  • 3. Fine (happy panther)

    Votes: 21 6.8%
  • 4. Great (golfing panther)

    Votes: 15 4.8%

  • Total voters
    311
Played with the Audyssey early this morning while everything was quiet.

I wasn't expecting much, but it does make a big difference, especially with the MultiEQ set to reference: the stereo soundstage really opens up wide and detailed, with crip highs, but not overly harsh.

Now that I'm on Marantz, I find the T778's bass to be very boomy/thumpy, whereas the Marantz's is very smooth/soft. Not sure how to describe it other than the T778 was very 'doof doof', whereas now it's more 'oof oof'.

The sub also now is very active, whereas I always struggled with the T778 - having to boost sub levels to >+10dB in Dirac to even get it to fire up. Which now leads me to believe that that unit's AM230 board was defective from the get go, and I just didn't realise it I removed the amp modules and noticed the clipping.
 
Coming to this thread late and as an owner so take this with a grain of "confirmation bias" salt, but I have been very happy with the Cinema 70s after upgrading over a year ago from the previous version (NR1711 or something?), a switch I made primarily to get HDMI 2.1 and eARC. I use it as a pre/pro running into my MA7200 to drive my front speakers (Sopra No. 2s) only but drive the center and rears from the AVR. Audyssey setup worked well with this arrangement and the 5.1 experience is eminently satisfying. I am also reasonably happy when playing music from my HTPC through the AVR though I do notice a marked improvement when switching over to my dedicated stereo setup. The CEC settings are deep enough that I have been able to get my entire system to play nicely using just the TV remote, which is quite an accomplishment (RIP Harmony).

I think bashing the Cinema 70s based on two-channel audio performance kind of misses the point here--the selling point for this slimline AVR to me is getting the pre-out, connectivity, processing and excellent on-screen menu experience that Marantz has become very good at with without paying more for additional amplification you don't need (either because you're using a separate amp or have very modest speakers). I would understand the vitriol better if this were a review of something in Marantz's Stereo series, but, as others have noted, the video/networking/processing features that make this AVR (and not an integrated stereo amp) valuable aren't even touched on.

The DAC may not rival the best in the audiophile sphere (at least in graphs, which seems to be the only thing ASR cares about), and if you want/need better amplification you will need to look to one of the higher spec'ed/priced models. But on the balance for a well-featured pre/pro AVR that works with complicated HT setups I think the Cinema 70s punches well above its weight and shouldn't be overlooked by those shopping in this price bracket.

For anyone wondering whether their own system would work with this AVR, here is my setup:
- LG C1 Series 65"
- Marantz Cinema 70s
- McIntosh MA7200
- Focal Sopra No. 2 (Front)
- Focal Electra CC 1000 Be (Center)
- Monitor Audio Silver 100 (Rear)
- KEF KC62
- Sony PS5
- Microsoft XBox Series X
- Nintendo Switch
- Minisforum AI370 (Windows 11)
- Fiio R9
- Rega Planar 3/Nagaoka MP-200H
- Marantz CD-6006
 
The DAC may not rival the best in the audiophile sphere (at least in graphs, which seems to be the only thing ASR cares about), and if you want/need better amplification you will need to look to one of the higher spec'ed/priced models.
Don't take the review so personal, for what can be bought just about anywhere for under $1k you get a lot of good functionality.
I'm not sure what you mean saying the DAC SINAD is all that's cared about, but yes proper audio performance of a AVR begins and ends with
a good DAC and this isn't one to sneeze at, not in the price range. Mid 90s put it smack dab in the middle of those that had been currently measured
with a whole lot much more expensive..
The weakest point of this AVR is it's amps and you are mostly avoiding that so I see you as good to go.
It's hard not to throw a few stones at products this cheap, somethings got to give to make the price point, I don't see anything on our list doing much better that isn't 2 to 3x more money. It's MHO that Marantz did a fairly admirable job at it.
Enjoy The Music
 
I think bashing the Cinema 70s based on two-channel audio performance kind of misses the point here--the selling point for this slimline AVR to me is getting the pre-out, connectivity, processing and excellent on-screen menu experience that Marantz has become very good at with without paying more for additional amplification you don't need (either because you're using a separate amp or have very modest speakers).

I doubt anyone would bash the C70s but I might have missed some posts, I guess.

I would understand the vitriol better if this were a review of something in Marantz's Stereo series, but, as others have noted, the video/networking/processing features that make this AVR (and not an integrated stereo amp) valuable aren't even touched on.

The DAC may not rival the best in the audiophile sphere (at least in graphs, which seems to be the only thing ASR cares about), and if you want/need better amplification you will need to look to one of the higher spec'ed/priced models. But on the balance for a well-featured pre/pro AVR that works with complicated HT setups I think the Cinema 70s punches well above its weight and shouldn't be overlooked by those shopping in this price bracket.

The DAC is not an issue based on >90 dB SINAD for the most part, that makes it comparable to many decent power amps including the likes of the MA7200, it is not SOTA for sure, neither's the one in the MA7200, but with < -90 dB THD+N, it is well within the so called below threshold of audibility.

I don't know why you would think that the only thing ASR cares about is the DAC performance graphs, when Amir/ASR typically also measured SNR/DR, IMD, Cross talk, FR, 32 tones in, Jitter, FFT, frequency dependence and more.., many of those metrics would depend on not just the DAC IC in the audio signal path, just that it's understandably too time consuming for him to rank devices on each of the metrics he measured and published.

The good news is, if one look closely of all those measured performance criteria, one would find that in most (obviously not all) cases, if even just the SINAD of the pre out/DAC is reasonably good such as >85 dB SINAD, 1 kHz test signal, the device wouldn't likely perform bad in the other areas/metrics, at least that's what I found in the numerous Marantz and Denon AVRs/AVPs. Marantz prior the the 2021 through 23 models tend to do not so well in the pre out/DAC SINAD, but even at the 75 dB level found in those, should put them in the transparent category. The Cinema 70s, performed very well in the ASR review, I think Amir would not put it in his recommended list because of the power amp section only. In your case, the MA7200 got you cover, it's input sensitivity of just 1.4 V, means your Cinema 70s pre out/DAC SINAD would be in the optimum point of about 97 dB, that truly exceptional, considering just the DAC IC itself has a spec of only 93 dB. Marantz outperform the IC's own spec by 4 dB proves the point that implementation is not an issue, not for Marantz!!

Given such facts, no wonder you seem to like the Cinema 70s a lot. In my case, I avoided it mainly because 2 independent subwoofer outputs is a must feature for me, hopefully the upcoming replacement will be fitted with two outputs.
 
These are all fine points and I don't disagree with anything in particular. My issue is that the initial "review" and overall score makes it seem like this AVR is not worth considering based solely on measurements, which I think is a mistake in the context of the whole package on offer. I think what Marantz has done here in not gimping the features of their lowest-cost offering is admirable and I basically just wanted to put a vote in in its favor in case anyone looks at this thread and immediately concludes "skip" (as many of the comments suggest).

I would honestly be interested to see how the Stereo 70s (or something else from that series) measures in comparison since that is more clearly targeted at audiophiles.
 
I would honestly be interested to see how the Stereo 70s (or something else from that series) measures in comparison since that is more clearly targeted at audiophiles.

It will measure a little better for sure, well at least in theory. The Stereo 70s is also one that I did not go for because of the single subout, I keep wondering when are they, or anyone going to come up with a truly 2.2 receiver, or integrated, with decent bass management capabilities. It would have been so easy for Marantz, or Denon, to develop and launch such a product.
 
anyone going to come up with a truly 2.2 receiver, or integrated, with decent bass management capabilities
NAD M10 V3, ... BC and ART capable ;)
 
NAD M10 V3, ... BC and ART capable ;)
Thanks but no thanks. I don't prefer, and don't want to pay for the dac, streamer, and dislike the Blu OS thing. Don't really need the power amp section but that part is at least acceptable, assuming subout 1&2 are independent.

If NAD had one such device without the silly(just my opinion) BluOS, and build in dac, I would have grabbed one especially if they skip the power amp section, balanced I/O would have been great though. To give them credit, at least they no longer forced the MQA thing any more. Not sure why NAD seems always keep on such new hypes/gadget kind of features in recent years.
 
To give them credit, at least they no longer forced the MQA thing any more. Not sure why NAD seems always keep on such new hypes/gadget kind of features in recent years.
See M33V2 (including MQA QRONO & FOQUS) ;)
 
These are all fine points and I don't disagree with anything in particular. My issue is that the initial "review" and overall score makes it seem like this AVR is not worth considering based solely on measurements, which I think is a mistake in the context of the whole package on offer. I think what Marantz has done here in not gimping the features of their lowest-cost offering is admirable and I basically just wanted to put a vote in in its favor in case anyone looks at this thread and immediately concludes "skip" (as many of the comments suggest).

It's quite decent, I'm using it daily since 2.5 years, never had an issue. The main stereo speakers are driven by another amp. Here's my teardown if you want to have a look inside.
 
Hello,
does somebody else got a Problem with the Trigger Output of the Marantz Cinema 70s ? It turns my Power Amp on but I always get a loud buzzing noise if I use the Trigger Out to a Fosi Za3 (Pre Out for Center, Mono Mode). Without Trigger Connection it is silent. I already tried a 3,5mm Mono Cable and 3,5mm Stereo Cable but with in both situations it is buzzing.
 
Hello,
does somebody else got a Problem with the Trigger Output of the Marantz Cinema 70s ? It turns my Power Amp on but I always get a loud buzzing noise if I use the Trigger Out to a Fosi Za3 (Pre Out for Center, Mono Mode). Without Trigger Connection it is silent. I already tried a 3,5mm Mono Cable and 3,5mm Stereo Cable but with in both situations it is buzzing.

Can't say that I do, my trigger out to my Anthem 525 works perfectly, dead quiet with no input.
 
Hi all. I received this last week, pretty happy with it. I now want to MultiEQ for my subwoofer (SVS SB1000 Pro) only, and turn it off for the speakers (Nautilus 804) from my understanding this is done with enabling Bypass L/R in the Audio/Audyssey screen, however under MultiEQ I am only shown Off/Flat/Reference. Does anyone know if this option just not exists for this model then, because it is listed in the manual. And I am a bit confused as to why I dont see it. I uploaded the Audyssey file from the MultiEQ app and am trying to find that Bypass setting on the AVR itself now. Any thoughts?


Edit: Sorry, bit of a doublepost from another thread, but this one is quite a bit more active. Really hoping to figure this one out.
 
Hi all. I received this last week, pretty happy with it. I now want to MultiEQ for my subwoofer (SVS SB1000 Pro) only, and turn it off for the speakers (Nautilus 804) from my understanding this is done with enabling Bypass L/R in the Audio/Audyssey screen, however under MultiEQ I am only shown Off/Flat/Reference. Does anyone know if this option just not exists for this model then, because it is listed in the manual. And I am a bit confused as to why I dont see it. I uploaded the Audyssey file from the MultiEQ app and am trying to find that Bypass setting on the AVR itself now. Any thoughts?


Edit: Sorry, bit of a doublepost from another thread, but this one is quite a bit more active. Really hoping to figure this one out.

To select bypass, you have to connect 3 speakers or more. I cheated it by connecting a cheap speaker, anything, to the center channel, run Autosetup/Audyssey, they select LR bypass and just remove the center speaker after. I forgot the details, such as whether it would work even after I select "none" to the center channel when listening to stereo but I remember it worked out for me and could play 2.1, with mult Eq on L/R bypass with sub running and being EQ/Corrected. I was using the Denon 1800 but the Cinema 70 should work the same way.
 
To select bypass, you have to connect 3 speakers or more. I cheated it by connecting a cheap speaker, anything, to the center channel, run Autosetup/Audyssey, they select LR bypass and just remove the center speaker after. I forgot the details, such as whether it would work even after I select "none" to the center channel when listening to stereo but I remember it worked out for me and could play 2.1, with mult Eq on L/R bypass with sub running and being EQ/Corrected. I was using the Denon 1800 but the Cinema 70 should work the same way.
Thanks for the reply. Fortunately I still had old speaker around so I had to give it a try. You are right it does in fact work this way. Pretty cool. The moment you turn center to 'off' in your speaker layout, the setting defaults back again though. So knowing that, I still have the bypass enabled but there is also a center speaker mentioned that is no longer connected. I guess my question now (if you know) is if there if this will have any impact on how the system plays at all? It's pretty much just 2.1 like you said, just that the system believes the center is still in play too.
 
Thanks for the reply. Fortunately I still had old speaker around so I had to give it a try. You are right it does in fact work this way. Pretty cool. The moment you turn center to 'off' in your speaker layout, the setting defaults back again though. So knowing that, I still have the bypass enabled but there is also a center speaker mentioned that is no longer connected. I guess my question now (if you know) is if there if this will have any impact on how the system plays at all? It's pretty much just 2.1 like you said, just that the system believes the center is still in play too.
No impact, as you said it qould work like 2.1 when you play 2 channel stereo music. If you play media contents that has center channel info, then obviously you will be missing the center channel signal because the center channel is not actually connected.
 
I've been looking at the Cinema 70s (or a used SR6015) for a small office HT - mostly for surround sound gaming and music.
It seems like running an external amp for the L/R channels would mitigate most of the issues for my use case. I'm sure the internal amps are fine for a 10'x10' office with efficient speakers...
 
I've been looking at the Cinema 70s (or a used SR6015) for a small office HT - mostly for surround sound gaming and music.
It seems like running an external amp for the L/R channels would mitigate most of the issues for my use case. I'm sure the internal amps are fine for a 10'x10' office with efficient speakers...
If you like the Marantz look better then the C70 is a good choice for your need. If look is not too important then I would suggest the Denon AVR-X1800H that will save you a few hundred dollars and it may have enough juice for your front LR if the room is only 10x10. It has front L/R preouts (not for the EU models) for ext. amp id you need more output.
 
If you like the Marantz look better then the C70 is a good choice for your need. If look is not too important then I would suggest the Denon AVR-X1800H that will save you a few hundred dollars and it may have enough juice for your front LR if the room is only 10x10. It has front L/R preouts (not for the EU models) for ext. amp id you need more output.
I like the Silver Marantz models a lot but the silver C70s is not available in the US. The black Marantz models might as well be any other black AVR to me.

The X1800H looks ideal for my purposes - primarily 2.1 with occasional surround use and the $599 price on A4L makes it easy - I could sell my Wiim Amp Ultra to cover most of the cost...
 
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