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well, allegedly....Well sort of. Car guys in the states are Pickup Truck crazy.
The bigger the truck, the bigger your package, right.
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Marantz Cinema 40 AVR Review
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Well if there is a worse way to spend money than audio, then it's definitively expensive cars and trucks 
. Carbon package that cost $15k, $7k set of wheels, $5k seat upgrade, and things like that...
As far as the package, right, the shot guy says to the tall guy the usual thing
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. Carbon package that cost $15k, $7k set of wheels, $5k seat upgrade, and things like that...As far as the package, right, the shot guy says to the tall guy the usual thing
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You just have to spend it wisely for both, build muscle systems. Big Horsepower engines and Amp/Speaker size should be at the top of the list.Well if there is a worse way to spend money than audio, then it's definitively expensive cars and trucks
YMMV
It literally gives a SINAD number at 2Vrms...
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most package comparisons are based on ego and some combination of fantasy and BS factor. And most women worth having don't care that much...so all of that becomes a grandstanding act I won't participate in.
But with audio gear, there are the real numbers and then there is the setup. A well setup lesser system will trump the one with better specs every time because a good setup is imperative if you want the best out of what you have. Finding the sweet spot for your choice of equipment is the magic and that takes time to find. i refuse to work very hard at finding the best possible setup for what I have in my current living situation because I won't be here forever. Once I am back in my home, I'm gonna get anal about it. I have done some minimal tweaking where I currently live but its too much work to work too hard at it when I am going to be back home in six-ish months. I am seriously considering the C30 over the C40 just because it has better dacs and a bit more power and is a more cohesive set of offerings for rebuilding a home audio system. That said, I would go for a C40 for a secondary system all day long and never sweat the differences.
But with audio gear, there are the real numbers and then there is the setup. A well setup lesser system will trump the one with better specs every time because a good setup is imperative if you want the best out of what you have. Finding the sweet spot for your choice of equipment is the magic and that takes time to find. i refuse to work very hard at finding the best possible setup for what I have in my current living situation because I won't be here forever. Once I am back in my home, I'm gonna get anal about it. I have done some minimal tweaking where I currently live but its too much work to work too hard at it when I am going to be back home in six-ish months. I am seriously considering the C30 over the C40 just because it has better dacs and a bit more power and is a more cohesive set of offerings for rebuilding a home audio system. That said, I would go for a C40 for a secondary system all day long and never sweat the differences.
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Hi everyone I'm looking for a new receiver the JBL MA9100HP or the Marantz - Cinema 40, i have the Atmos 5.2.4 setup and my old receiver is the Denon AVR-x4300H and the speakers are the JBL Studio 590 x2, JBL Studio 580 x2 and JBL Studio 520C and 4 ceiling speakers
So why does the JBL or Marantz appeal to you over the Denon particularly? Why not speakers instead if looking for some sort of significant change?
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Might want to wait for the AV30 if you only need 9 channels.
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The AV20 supposedly should measure similarly to the AV10. However, it offers fewer channels (13.4 vs 15.4) and a simpler mainboard.
The AV30 is rumored to be releasing soon and should be a preamp version of the Cinema 30 (likely the same DACs), so it should have improved measurements over the Cinema 40. Whether that's audible or is worth the extra cost to you is a different story. I will say that using my AV20 with XLR outputs fixed some ground loop issues that I had with my SR7012 over RCA. I do think the AV30 is probably going to be in a sweet spot for price/performance, and I would've purchased an AV30 if it were available at the time.
Here's a link to the expected AV10/20/30 differences: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...3-4-channel-avp-discussion.62688/post-2312765
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I do agree on expected performance of the 3 units. Personally I was holding off a bit waiting on the release of the AV30 but the different
DAC application of the AV10/20 and the 30 just kept nagging at my brain. Will there be an audible difference, not in the rational mind I would believe.
OTOH, once you know, you know and the the doubt and sighted bias issues start to nag at ya.
I any case I've very pleased with my new AV20 so far.
I do agree on expected performance of the 3 units. Personally I was holding off a bit waiting on the release of the AV30 but the different
DAC application of the AV10/20 and the 30 just kept nagging at my brain. Will there be an audible difference, not in the rational mind I would believe.
OTOH, once you know, you know and the the doubt and sighted bias issues start to nag at ya.
I any case I've very pleased with my new AV20 so far.
I think the AV10/20 are of a more robust design on the preamp/dac, they use the reference class ESS IC for all channels, where as the AV30 will likely do it like the Cinema30 (hopefully not), that is to use a different IC for at least one of the subwoofer channels, because the ES2017 is an 8 channel dac so 2X8=16, just 1 channel short, ouch.., nothing wrong I guess but just wish he had done it in a cleaner way. Practically, I think you are right, hardly any humans will know the difference for real world use, but on the bench, and on paper there will be differences, so knowing it may enable some of us to hear the difference lol..... Regardless, if the AV30 price is low enough in Canada, it might be enough to make me sell my Anthem, and..
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The AV30 is 11.4 channel so it fits neatly into 2x9017S
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...3-4-channel-avp-discussion.62688/post-2312765
Sounds good, but that's surprising, that it would offer few channels than the AVR-X6800H and Cinema 30.
13.4 channel processing, 11 channel amplification With external two-channel amplification that can be assigned to either Front Left and Right, or a pair of height channels, you can setup a 13 channel speaker configuration such as 7.1.6 or 9.1.4, allowing you even more flexibility and elevated immersive audio experience
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I suspect few setups go beyond 7.4.4, and they already have the AV20 and AV30 for those who do.
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I have a Denon now that's acting up and wanted to replace it. Old receiver is the Denon AVR-x4300H
Same here, my Denon X4700H started acting up so I sent it off for repair less than 1 week before the 3 year warranty expired
I knew I'd never be comfortable with it after a repair. Just got it back 3 days after my AV20 arrived and I havn't even opened the box yet.
In any case, I'm a Marantz guy, they've been at the front of my Hi-Fi rig since around 1974 so ---
Just curious what your experiences are. I have a 3808 and 4520 and 4700....all work fine altho I did scare myself with the 4520 at one point (turned out to be the power outlet). Last Marantz I got was a 2270 in 72 or 73 or so, when it died in early 80s I went separates. The 2270 also had issues, kinda put me off the brand. Didn't know about Denon for quite a while afterwards but had friends with them and they had a nice feature set. Also weird how they market the Marantz at a higher price in the US for basically same componentry/features.Same here, my Denon X4700H started acting up so I sent it off for repair less than 1 week before the 3 year warranty expired
I knew I'd never be comfortable with it after a repair. Just got it back 3 days after my AV20 arrived and I havn't even opened the box yet.
In any case, I'm a Marantz guy, they've been at the front of my Hi-Fi rig since around 1974 so ---
My first really good Hi Fi was also a Marantz 2270. It operated flawlessly till my first wife took the whole system in the divorce.
I also then went to separates going thru lots of gear in the 2 channel and surround systems. Most very reliable except Adcom 80s-90s multich processors, just junk.
Since retirement to FL a Marantz 7701 Pre-Pro ran flawlessly till I sold it to another member here, Last I knew he was still running it.
I upgraded to a Atmos capable 7703 which was great till a massive lightning strike killed it and a bunch of other gear one night..
Replaced with the Denon X4700H which was fine till it died.
YMMV
I also then went to separates going thru lots of gear in the 2 channel and surround systems. Most very reliable except Adcom 80s-90s multich processors, just junk.
Since retirement to FL a Marantz 7701 Pre-Pro ran flawlessly till I sold it to another member here, Last I knew he was still running it.
I upgraded to a Atmos capable 7703 which was great till a massive lightning strike killed it and a bunch of other gear one night..
Replaced with the Denon X4700H which was fine till it died.
Being honest I don't find it weird. Yes I'm American and would rather see the name of an old line US product on the front of my gear than a Japanese one, no matter what todays realities are. I'll only buy American cars too.
YMMV
Mine had some input bleed issues (could hear fm sometimes on other inputs). It failed but that may have been party influencedMy first really good Hi Fi was also a Marantz 2270. It operated flawlessly till my first wife took the whole system in the divorce.
I also then went to separates going thru lots of gear in the 2 channel and surround systems. Most very reliable except Adcom 80s-90s multich processors, just junk.
Since retirement to FL a Marantz 7701 Pre-Pro ran flawlessly till I sold it to another member here, Last I knew he was still running it.
I upgraded to a Atmos capable 7703 which was great till a massive lightning strike killed it and a bunch of other gear one night..
Replaced with the Denon X4700H which was fine till it died.
Being honest I don't find it weird. Yes I'm American and would rather see the name of an old line US product on the front of my gear than a Japanese one, no matter what todays realities are. I'll only buy American cars too.
YMMV
I have an Adcom pre-amp still, though don't currently use it. I've had good experiences with the Denons generally (some refurb 4520s not so much but then went new and not a problem). Nothing much american about Marantz even in the 2270 days. I still prefer a good product altho have tried to support local whenever I can....just not a lot of it available in audio....
