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Marantz AV10 AV Processor Review

Rate This AV Processor:

  • 1. Poor (headless panther)

    Votes: 6 1.8%
  • 2. Not terrible (postman panther)

    Votes: 24 7.3%
  • 3. Fine (happy panther)

    Votes: 86 26.1%
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    Votes: 213 64.7%

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SIANDs demonstrate that the engineering team showed care in designing the unit. It doesn't tell you the whole story on sound tonal characteristics. Also, that part is really subjective. It comes down to taste.
The subjective part is what is the problem. There are no sound or tonal characteristics except for the relevant measurements, as that is what the measurements are made for and they do cover enough of the performance range that one would care for.

That is why for some it might be a bad taste to argue otherwise, especially on this forum.
 
The subjective part is what is the problem. There are no sound or tonal characteristics except for the relevant measurements, as that is what the measurements are made for and they do cover enough of the performance range that one would care for.

That is why for some it might be a bad taste to argue otherwise, especially on this forum.
 
OMG - not sure what your are doing here at all if you are not open to the the premisses of this forum. Once you call it subjective, its pretty much the endgame in most circumstances.

I am AV-10 owner but not taunting about it as no real measure that would really enable me to do so. For sure it is a well made processor, but as some noted, so is 3600H.
 
OMG - not sure what your are doing here at all if you are not open to the the premisses of this forum. Once you call it subjective, its pretty much the endgame in most circumstances.

I am AV-10 owner but not taunting about it as no real measure that would really enable me to do so. For sure it is a well made processor, but as some noted, so is 3600H.
Not sure where are you getting at. I am not open to the premise of this forum? What does that has to do with my initial statement about SINADs? Something is lost in translation here.

Enjoy your processor. Not sure who said it doesn't have real messuments, because that wasn't me. I am not even talking about that.
 
Not really sure if that really counts. OP amps are pretty irrelevant as noted in recent threads and power supply for the pre-amp has really low requirements. There is a bit more of dynamic range for AV-10, but then that is a blessing and a curse.

My best guess is that Audy calibration went terribly wrong with 3800H and really well with AV-10. Most of my calibration files with AV-10 are marked as "toxic" and 1 in 10 is what I like to hear. This includes points like bass dynamics and so called pin-point localisation.

My initial comparisons were done in true direct for both. I bought the unit with a plan to return it if the sound was not significantly better than the X3600.

Pre AV10 for two channel music I would bypass the x3600 because it deteriorated the sound compared two my two channel system. One major advantage for me with the AV10 is and improvement in 2 channel as well as surround. No more switching stuff around.

I would prefer the X3600 to sound better or closer to the AV10 and save the money. It just does not. Being the most expensive audio item I have bought I hate this fact. I sold my Marantz AV7705 and replaced it with the X3600. I am not shy from downgrading for better sound. I also compared the x3800 to 3600 and found no significant difference.

AV10 SINAD 107
X3600 SINAD 99
AV7705 SINAD 75
X3800 SINAD 85

My conclusion so far is that after a SINAD of somewhere around 80 other factors such as design choices and parts differentiate what happen to the signal after it enters is processed and output.
 
SIANDs demonstrate that the engineering team showed care in designing the unit.
Agreed 100%, though it also depends on how it is measured, example: single point, or multiple points/conditions etc.
It doesn't tell you the whole story on sound tonal characteristics. Also, that part is really subjective. It comes down to taste.
True, but how about if SINAD, frequency response, cross talk, Dynamic range, 32 tone tests and the many other test Amir did are all good, are there other things that tell the story on sound tonal characteristics that Amir should be testing/measuring? And if the missing things would come down to taste, then wouldn't it be almost useless, given that people tend to have different taste?
 
So why would then AV-10 sound better?

Interesting question, my guess is, if he finds higher sampling rate than 48 kHz sounds better even on all else being equal basis, then he will likely find other things sound better too. So, nothing would surprise me.
 
Interesting question, my guess is, if he finds higher sampling rate than 48 kHz sounds better even on all else being equal basis, then he will likely find other things sound better too. So, nothing would surprise me.
Oh well - I guess as long as people enjoy their hobby it's a fair game. Their system and their cash.

However, most budgets are often limited and allocating the budget smartly is really the key to maximising the benefit.

My decision to buy AV-10 did not take away any budget from other components. In fact was a sound cost saving decision as Storm and Trinnov were the brands I had in mind as alternatives :facepalm:.
 
Agreed 100%, though it also depends on how it is measured, example: single point, or multiple points/conditions etc.

True, but how about if SINAD, frequency response, cross talk, Dynamic range, 32 tone tests and the many other test Amir did are all good, are there other things that tell the story on sound tonal characteristics that Amir should be testing/measuring? And if the missing things would come down to taste, then wouldn't it be almost useless, given that people tend to have different taste?
Listening. Preferably A B X listening. It seems to me most people would prefer clarity. The AV7705 was not clear. I am guessing the poor SINAD was related to its poor sound. It also seemed like it had a timing problem with ATMOS especially compared to other equipment. AV3600 better but for whatever reason a lot clearer than the AV7705 and ATMOS timing was right that may of helped it sound clearer. AV10 clearer. I think anyone listening would notice these differences.

In my experience so far good measurements correspond to good sound (exception Magenepan LRS) . But I don’t understand how you can determine the sound of equipment without listening to it playing music or movies. In my world the x3600 does not sound nearly as good (mainly as clear) as the AV10 or the Technics G700m2. The AV7705 being the worst. That being said with this small sample the unit with the higher SINAD sounds better to me.
 
Oh well - I guess as long as people enjoy their hobby it's a fair game. Their system and their cash.

However, most budgets are often limited and allocating the budget smartly is really the key to maximising the benefit.

My decision to buy AV-10 did not take away any budget from other components. In fact was a sound cost saving decision as Storm and Trinnov were the brands I had in mind as alternatives :facepalm:.
Your audio budget is larger than mine.
 
Agreed 100%, though it also depends on how it is measured, example: single point, or multiple points/conditions etc.

True, but how about if SINAD, frequency response, cross talk, Dynamic range, 32 tone tests and the many other test Amir did are all good, are there other things that tell the story on sound tonal characteristics that Amir should be testing/measuring? And if the missing things would come down to taste, then wouldn't it be almost useless, given that people tend to have different taste?
That's why there's different brands of cars. At the end, most people don't care which one has five stars safety or the most horse power. They get what fits their desire. That's how it goes.

We cannot measure everything, but we gotta start somewhere.
 
Your audio budget is larger than mine.
Sorry if that came rude - was not my intention at all. Just the fact that I had other basis covered well before going with AV-10.

And honestly, the reason I went that way is probaby lame. I wanted top engineered product to match my setup, reliable and stable as it can get, and one that runs just warm. I have 6700H in a different HT, and even in a pre-amp mode can fry eggs on it in 3 min or less.

To your other points, it is true that once you venture to Atmos, traditional measurements might not do full justice as they are simply not being measured. Even REW trails behind with Atmos capabilities.

However, I can't really tell much difference between 6700H and AV-10 in that respect. If there was one thing I could tell, is that AV-10 has a bit more dynamic range. When something really loud hits, it is louder of AV-10 than on 6700H, and both have plenty of amps to make it a fair game. As I noted before, it is great thing for fidelity, but I sometimes wonder if I really need that.

7705 is a very old product, so might have some firmware issues or processing limitations, but looking at the newer line up I think D&M did a great job of providing equal solution for all.
 
Hi AV10 owners!

I'm thinking of going for an Atmos preamplifier, obviously the AV10. Currently, the only speakers I have are the front ones: Genelec 8361+W371. My question is: can the LFE channel be routed to the front speakers? Or, if I don't have an LFE channel (a subwoofer), is the mix intended for this channel redirected to the speakers? Would I still have to buy a subwoofer, which I'd prefer to avoid since the W371s are probably better than most existing subwoofers?

Another question along these lines: I want to make sure that the Atmos processor doesn't restrict low frequencies to the speakers. My plan is eventually to have Genelec 8341 or 8340 as front and surround speakers.

Can anyone help me or give me some advice?
 
Hi AV10 owners!

I'm thinking of going for an Atmos preamplifier, obviously the AV10. Currently, the only speakers I have are the front ones: Genelec 8361+W371. My question is: can the LFE channel be routed to the front speakers? Or, if I don't have an LFE channel (a subwoofer), is the mix intended for this channel redirected to the speakers? Would I still have to buy a subwoofer, which I'd prefer to avoid since the W371s are probably better than most existing subwoofers?

Another question along these lines: I want to make sure that the Atmos processor doesn't restrict low frequencies to the speakers. My plan is eventually to have Genelec 8341 or 8340 as front and surround speakers.

Can anyone help me or give me some advice?
Yes, you can check out a video from Audioholics where Gene explains how to use the feature you ask for.

 
Hi AV10 owners!

I'm thinking of going for an Atmos preamplifier, obviously the AV10. Currently, the only speakers I have are the front ones: Genelec 8361+W371. My question is: can the LFE channel be routed to the front speakers? Or, if I don't have an LFE channel (a subwoofer), is the mix intended for this channel redirected to the speakers? Would I still have to buy a subwoofer, which I'd prefer to avoid since the W371s are probably better than most existing subwoofers?

Another question along these lines: I want to make sure that the Atmos processor doesn't restrict low frequencies to the speakers. My plan is eventually to have Genelec 8341 or 8340 as front and surround speakers.

Can anyone help me or give me some advice?
After running GLM to calibrate the 8361 and the W371 combo, effectively making them a single large speaker as far as the AVP is concerned, you would simply configure the Front speakers in the AVP(AV10) as Large and set Subwoofer to None. Then, all frequencies including LFE will be sent to the Front speakers.
 
After running GLM to calibrate the 8361 and the W371 combo, effectively making them a single large speaker as far as the AVP is concerned, you would simply configure the Front speakers in the AVP(AV10) as Large and set Subwoofer to None. Then, all frequencies including LFE will be sent to the Front speakers.
You can go beyond that and actually filter how much LFE you want "leaking" to the speakers. In fact, you can "leak" the LFE signal to any speaker of the whole system. This is super nifty, because let´s say your rears are full spectrum speakers and capable of pushing really low sound; with this option you can actually route of much LFE as you want/your speakers are capable of reproducing.
 
You can go beyond that and actually filter how much LFE you want "leaking" to the speakers. In fact, you can "leak" the LFE signal to any speaker of the whole system. This is super nifty, because let´s say your rears are full spectrum speakers and capable of pushing really low sound; with this option you can actually route of much LFE as you want/your speakers are capable of reproducing.
I believe that is possible when using a subwoofer and the Subwoofer Setting in the AV10 is set to 1,2,3 or 4. The LFE will go to the subwoofer and LFE can be sent to the Large Speakers using the LFE Distribution setting. When no subwoofer is present, LFE should automatically be sent to the Large speakers which are usually just the Main/Front speakers.
 
I believe that is possible when using a subwoofer and the Subwoofer Setting in the AV10 is set to 1,2,3 or 4. The LFE will go to the subwoofer and LFE can be sent to the Large Speakers using the LFE Distribution setting. When no subwoofer is present, LFE should automatically be sent to the Large speakers which are usually just the Main/Front speakers.
I have tried that in my own Marantz AVR and the LFE track does not go to the mains even with the subwoofer disabled. I guess it is a way to protect the speakers, as the LFE with high volume can wreck the speakers.
 
Historically, LFE is sent to Large/Full Band speakers when a subwoofer is not present though it is rarely spelled out in manuals of many manufacturers. Yamaha spelled it out nicely for their CX-A5200.
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Hi AV10 owners!

I'm thinking of going for an Atmos preamplifier, obviously the AV10. Currently, the only speakers I have are the front ones: Genelec 8361+W371. My question is: can the LFE channel be routed to the front speakers? Or, if I don't have an LFE channel (a subwoofer), is the mix intended for this channel redirected to the speakers? Would I still have to buy a subwoofer, which I'd prefer to avoid since the W371s are probably better than most existing subwoofers?

Another question along these lines: I want to make sure that the Atmos processor doesn't restrict low frequencies to the speakers. My plan is eventually to have Genelec 8341 or 8340 as front and surround speakers.

Can anyone help me or give me some advice?
As others noted your plan should work.

For future Genelecs without the bass units you could set them as small and crossover at 40hz. That would give them enough to chew on and below 40hz signal would go to larger fronts with bass units. Could also try 60hz and see what works better.

If you set them as large, I think they would also get the LFE as fronts and that might be too much for them and you could loose some low end signal for those channels as opposed to above.

There might be LFE+Main setting to try, but not sure if it would work without sub/s.

Would you do EQ with your Genelecs and all future Genelec speakers and disengage Audyssey?
 
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