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Marantz AV10 AV Processor Review

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dsd4life

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Fair enough Adam. You have your rules and I need to respect them. Please send over the info. If it's not too much paperwork, I don't mind. I will say, embarrassingly, I let $100 rebates go to waste! If it is not a lot of work, I'll be happy to oblige. If it's red tape, I'll be on my merry way. :)
Not to belabor this topic but what do we think of Audio Advice in Raleigh Durham they sell the Anthem AVM90 and Marantz AV10. Do you think both processors sell in similar quantity? They are really a smart company on breaking out of the regional home theater retailer into a social media and hosting a "fan" / "trade" show.
 

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I'm not surprised he wasn't able to find anyone that could discern a difference in any type of testing. (Blind, double blind, sighted etc.)
Actually I am surprised he couldn’t find anyone who could ‘discern’ a difference in sighted testing… ;)
 

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Hands down, Perlisten Subs wins. but they are rather proud of them. I'm contemplating adding Perlisten as a line and shedding a couple of others. What's not to love about their pedigree? Ask me that question in about a month. I wonder if Harman has any Spinorama data on their line-up? That might point to the correct answer.
I find them ugly for a living room!
 

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Not to belabor this topic but what do we think of Audio Advice in Raleigh Durham they sell the Anthem AVM90 and Marantz AV10. Do you think both processors sell in similar quantity? They are really a smart company on breaking out of the regional home theater retailer into a social media and hosting a "fan" / "trade" show.
I would be curious to see the numbers quantified for all three?
 

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Oh I am sure Audio Advice sells significantly more AVM90(s) than AV10. Its such a no brainer Anthem does not have DTS:X Pro and the hardware in the AV10 inside looks like a Marantz PM10. Gene from Audioholics confirmed that the XLR inputs into the Marantz are pure Analog; Anthem is AD / DA everything.
 

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Oh I am sure Audio Advice sells significantly more AVM90(s) than AV10. Its such a no brainer Anthem does not have DTS:X Pro and the hardware in the AV10 inside looks like a Marantz PM10. Gene from Audioholics confirmed that the XLR inputs into the Marantz are pure Analog; Anthem is AD / DA everything.

For clarity, Anthem AVMs analog inputs don't go through AD/DA either, I guess unless you want it to such as you want to use ARC Genesis, then you select "Yes" for ADC/DAC. So it is similar to D+Ms that you have the choice, direct and pure direct means no AD/DAC, otherwise it gets converted, i.e. twice.
For the MRX, that is true, that they all get converted to digital.
 

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Matter of time before he dumps Sound United

Why? The audio division is profitable and helps make Masimo a more diversified company. HEOS is the crown jewel, but the CEO of Masimo is on the board of trustees at Caltech so he must be pretty smart and he genuinely has interest in wearables and non invasive sensors. He has said that he is an audiophile on an investor call, which was one reason the stock went down because they thought it was an Elon Musk style purchase of Twitter.

I don’t know if we are seeing any products that were truly developed post Masimo in entirety but it will be interesting to see the next few years.

This article (paywall, but you can jump into reader mode) mentions that they have made 7 acquisitions in their history, all successful including their own semiconductor company, and the real value of Sound United is something they aren’t going to disclose yet.

 
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Matter of time before he dumps Sound United
I see absolutely nothing in that link that supports your claim. Instead of random linking, do you have any evidence to back it up?

I could guess that if the lawsuit goes pear shaped for Masimo, the company might just dump both Kiani and Sound United, and seek to go in a different direction to consumer healthcare: but I don't have any evidence either.
 

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Two signs that should tell us how well the SU branch of Maximo is selling. We have been seeing lots of "out of stock" on Denon outlets, even Bestbuy, and Marantz's have not been on sale in North America while appears to be able to sell them at much higher price here than in Europe. To me, that means they are doing better in marketing/sale after the acquisition, and more profitable while selling well. Even when on sale, such as Denon's models, the discount has not been as great as it used to be a few years ago. Based on supply/demand, I think they have finally be able to do well across the line. The additional income from selling Dirac Live licenses must be helping too.
 

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Two signs that should tell us how well the SU branch of Maximo is selling. We have been seeing lots of "out of stock" on Denon outlets, even Bestbuy, and Marantz's have not been on sale in North America while appears to be able to sell them at much higher price here than in Europe. To me, that means they are doing better in marketing/sale after the acquisition, and more profitable while selling well. Even when on sale, such as Denon's models, the discount has not been as great as it used to be a few years ago. Based on supply/demand, I think they have finally be able to do well across the line. The additional income from selling Dirac Live licenses must be helping too.
There's no indication they get a kickback from Dirac...
Having the Dirac option, is however keeping D&M fans in their fold, and attracting new customers
 

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There's no indication they get a kickback from Dirac...
Having the Dirac option, is however keeping D&M fans in their fold, and attracting new customers
True but they'd be absolute fools to not take a cut. They are Dirac's biggest customer/entry-point and there's a ton of work and risk on the Denon-side to make it work.
 

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They are Dirac's biggest customer/entry-point and there's a ton of work and risk on the Denon-side to make it work.
Doubtful. D+M is a high volume manufacturer, but it's an optional add-on that requires users to buy a separate $80 microphone. The Onkyo TX-NR7100 is under $700 on Amazon and each unit ships with Dirac Live included. I'm willing to bet that model alone moves more licenses of DL than everything in the D+M lineup combined.
 

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Why? The audio division is profitable and helps make Masimo a more diversified company. HEOS is the crown jewel, but the CEO of Masimo is on the board of trustees at Caltech so he must be pretty smart and he genuinely has interest in wearables and non invasive sensors. He has said that he is an audiophile on an investor call, which was one reason the stock went down because they thought it was an Elon Musk style purchase of Twitter.

I don’t know if we are seeing any products that were truly developed post Masimo in entirety but it will be interesting to see the next few years.

This article (paywall, but you can jump into reader mode) mentions that they have made 7 acquisitions in their history, all successful including their own semiconductor company, and the real value of Sound United is something they aren’t going to disclose yet.

Hopefully they´ll finally move to class D. Marantz´s PM10 with Hypex and Amp10 with IcePower shows that they can get a fantastic performance.
 

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Are IcePower good now? I remember back in the early days they were not good compared to Hypex UCD eg regarding load sensitivity…
 

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Are IcePower good now? I remember back in the early days they were not good compared to Hypex UCD eg regarding load sensitivity…
Load invariant according to Audioholics' bench test results:

 

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Can the PEQ for each channel be manually entered without using Audyssey? Only using REW and a laptop? The bass redirection feature Gene from Audioholics discusses is a built-in feature that is still able to work well once you use Dirac and Audyssey? I think Gene said you can run your LFE into your main speakers and still drop the crossover down to route truly sub harmonics bass into 4 independent subwoofers. Mini DSP is useless with the AV10 and just adds a lot AD / DA? The zone bass redirection tech in the AV10 stands alone from the AVM90?
 

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Are IcePower good now? I remember back in the early days they were not good compared to Hypex UCD eg regarding load sensitivity…
Gene passed the Amp10 on his Audioprecission and the results got published on Audioholics. Quite an impressive amp, particularly with 16 channels.
 

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Hi, I've read the 34 pages of this thread (my mother tongue = french). Interesting. I always had "HT" with amplified speakers, and then only a preamplifier. Firstable with B&O, then I switched to Emotiva UMC-200, and now Emotiva XMC-2. The upgrade was boring, slow and buggy. At least with the last firmware this is now stable. But... for me, the most important was Dirac LE, included in the Emotiva price. I have a large living room, with heavy sofa and one wall of books (library), the opposite side with acoustic curtains. And a large and thick wool carpet... ;) but the floor remain tile, and the ceiling is concrete... :facepalm: Is that not a dream for Dirac...? The last results in fall 2022 with my UMIK-1 were absolutely amazing. I customised my Harman target curve. I now can listen music in 2.1 (with CD's or Qobuz in HR) or watch movies in 7.1.4, and the results are always very impressive, natural. I'm happy and I have ceased the graal's quest...

Today Emotiva do not deliver the DLBC they had promised with their XMC-2. The brand Emotiva doesn't exist on the Dirac website... I will not go for another 2 years Emotiva purgatory!

As a Dirac-fan, I'm very interested by the integration of DLBC and A.R.T....! I'm now looking at this nice AV10. The measurements of Amir are pretty good! I have a little fear: I would be pleased if I could be sure that the sound quality of this AV 10 is as good or better than my XMC-2... TBO I'm sure that the real sound quality of the XMC-2 is equal as the RMC-1 measurements on ASR is... The bad score 85 of the XMC-2 is on my humble opinion irrelevant (probably an erratic measurements or due to a software problem). Well even with the comparison AV10 v/ RMC-1, I should have no fear? Switching will be OK? I'm asking also because in Switzerland we do not have 15 days withdrawal delay :eek: Emotiva fan's claims that Emo components in the RMC/XMC are SOTA... what do you think about it?

On the other hand, this AV10 offers HEOS, this will be an advantage for me ;) I'll hear the morning news in the bathroom, the kitchen, etc... And for me the P/Q go the AV10 is nice, almost as good as Emotiva. Which is not the same for Storm or Trinnov....

Sorry, I was long... Tx for any comments!
 

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I would be pleased if I could be sure that the sound quality of this AV 10 is as good or better than my XMC-2... TBO I'm sure that the real sound quality of the XMC-2 is equal as the RMC-1 measurements on ASR is... The bad score 85 of the XMC-2 is on my humble opinion irrelevant (probably an erratic measurements or due to a software problem). Well even with the comparison AV10 v/ RMC-1, I should have no fear? Switching will be OK? I'm asking also because in Switzerland we do not have 15 days withdrawal delay :eek: Emotiva fan's claims that Emo components in the RMC/XMC are SOTA... what do you think about it?

I don't know how anyone could be sure about the sound quality between the two as everyone will perceive differently, at least in sighted comparison when one will be biased. Objectively though, at least they all have been measured on Amir's bench, so you can be "sure" if there are reasons why the two will sound different to you, under some, or all conditions. On that, unfortunately, Amir only measured the SINAD at about 3.8 V, that is not quite enough info to say much either.
On the other hand, this AV10 offers HEOS, this will be an advantage for me ;) I'll hear the morning news in the bathroom, the kitchen, etc... And for me the P/Q go the AV10 is nice, almost as good as Emotiva. Which is not the same for Storm or Trinnov....

Sorry, I was long... Tx for any comments!

Since you are a "Dirac-fan" (said so in your post), then the AV10 seems like a better choice for you as you will then get both, very high SINAD vs the XMC-2, whether that is relevant or not, and DLBC. Not sure about the XMC's warranty, but Marantz apparently now gives a 5 year warranty. For peace of mind, it seems the AV10 is a great choice.
 
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