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So what about actual listening position? Just how much did you spend on this stuff?
It’s about 5M from the speaker. And It’s not mine. I was just a man to help to set up with measuring.
 
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Slightly surprised to see the bass roll off, has the room been created within a larger room?
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The room size is 8m length. But that’s not the point. The FR graph was measured 1m from the speaker. At the actual listening position the bass extended to a few Hz like other sealed subwoofers.
 

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I feel too close to the side wall even in 5M from speaker. That kind of comb filtering.
 
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I feel too close to the side wall even in 5M from speaker. That kind of comb filtering.
Side walls are treated with thick absorbers/diffusers. It would be matter about bass response and stereo image width than comb filter.
But It also can be relocated a little.
 

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Side walls are treated with thick absorbers/diffusers. It would be matter about bass response and stereo image width than comb filter.
But It also can be relocated a little.
If speakers are on rollers, you can move it bit by bit. Once I was setting up Avalon Acoustic Isis. We didn't have treated room. We naturally wouldn't place too much near the side wall. We have 20 plus tube traps to play around. Of course tube traps were not aesthetically appealing.
 

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This is the listening position in room measurement. It's about 5M from the speaker.View attachment 184791
Thank you for posting. But doesn´t seem very impressive for such a heavily treated room? Or am i wrong? I only know nearfield setups, but seeing this i wonder how LP measurements of big main monitors in a big studio look like.
 
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Thank you for posting. But doesn´t seem very impressive for such a heavily treated room? Or am i wrong? I only know nearfield setups, but seeing this i wonder how LP measurements of big main monitors in a big studio look like.
Far field measurement is hard to be clean FR as nearfield. Of course the bass range should be more clean, but the ceiling and side wall absorber is not very thick to absorbe axial room modes. The front and back wall are treated thick and bass resonant absorbers, So the overall RT60 is about 0.2~0.4s from the bass to treble.

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Thank you for posting. But doesn´t seem very impressive for such a heavily treated room? Or am i wrong? I only know nearfield setups, but seeing this i wonder how LP measurements of big main monitors in a big studio look like.
The graph has only a 1/24 octave smoothing, apply a 1/6 smoothing, which is the basis for most eq for example and some of the dips will vanish. 1/24 isn't really conclusive for how a speaker sounds to the ear.
The room isn't perfect, but the dips and peaks are fairly narrow and not huge in amplitude, this is a very fine sounding room. If you wish, you can eq the 600Hz region or bring down the whole curve a bit to even out the bass, but i would guess, that the difference would be marginal.
 

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The graph has only a 1/24 octave smoothing, apply a 1/6 smoothing, which is the basis for most eq for example and some of the dips will vanish. 1/24 isn't really conclusive for how a speaker sounds to the ear.
The room isn't perfect, but the dips and peaks are fairly narrow and not huge in amplitude, this is a very fine sounding room. If you wish, you can eq the 600Hz region or bring down the whole curve a bit to even out the bass, but i would guess, that the difference would be marginal.

You are right. I just tried and used the same settings for my own nearfield bedroom setup (KH310 without subs and without EQ, 1.8m distance, some treatments, see below) and it doesn´t really look better.
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Wow! Impressive room design and speakers!
Good day to you all!

Why do we automatically assume the room to be a "great design" by the presence of diffusers and other acoustic treatments paraphernalia?
The speakers are indeed huge and imposing. Magico has shown they know a thing or two about speaker design but ..seriously, I have seen better in-room response from this very forum.
Woke up in a buzzkill mood :p
 

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And to tack on my earlier buzzkill-mode, post: This system needs subwoofers (more than one :)) and DSP to reach its full potential. No! It doesn't have to be the Magico subwoofers...
 

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We won't know much about either the speakers or how it sounds from the measurements here. 1 meter is too close when the speaker is that big and no single-point measurement in-room will ever say much about sound quality.

Perhaps an impulse graph to check for specular reflections (and their timing) could substantiate the RT measurement, but for now I must confess it's a lovely setup and likely to sound a lot better than most of us can achieve, given the large room.
 
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