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MAG Theatron TDC-3200W Amplifier Review

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This is a review and detailed measurements of the MAG Theatron TDC-3200W DSP stereo amplifier. It was kindly drop shipped by a member and costs US $2,414.
MAG Theatron TDC-3200W DSP Stereo Amplifier power home theater review.jpg

To paraphrase a common saying, you have seen one commercial amp, you have seen them all. Same commercial look. Same ancient looking LCD. There is no clipping indicator which I wish there was. In testing, I got the impression that it has a limiter so maybe it never comes on.

Unlike commercial offerings, we have RCA inputs:
MAG Theatron TDC-3200W DSP Stereo Amplifier power home theater back panel bridge review.jpg

I was surprised that there is no trigger or IR/serial input control. Do they expect it to be left on all the time in a residential setting? Maybe there is a control protocol over Ethernet.

Here are the specs:
MAG Theatron TDC-3200W DSP Stereo Amplifier power home theater back panel specification review.png


I did not have time to test the unit in Bridge mode or with my reactive load.

MAG TDC-3200W Amp Measurements
Default gain is quite high at 32 dB:
MAG Theatron TDC-3200W DSP Stereo Amplifier 32 dB Gain Measurements.png


I lowered the input gain to 25 dB but it didn't reduce noise:
MAG Theatron TDC-3200W DSP Stereo Amplifier 27 dB Gain Measurements.png


SINAD of 67 dB is nearly 20 dB worse than the average of all amplifiers tested which is not good. Then again commercial amps rarely deliver excellent performance in this department.

Noise as noted, is quite high at lower power levels:
MAG Theatron TDC-3200W DSP Stereo Amplifier 25 dB Gain dynamic range Measurements.png


I thought it would get much better at full power but it barely matches 16 bit dynamic range.

I checked to make sure all DSP filters are off and the profile is set to "flat" and got this response:
MAG Theatron TDC-3200W DSP Stereo Amplifier 25 dB Gain frequency response Measurements.png

As you see, there is fair bit of load dependency at high frequencies due to rising output impedance. I don't know what explains the low frequency roll off. I could not find a crossover setting so maybe that is built into the profile???

Crosstalk gets worse at lower frequencies which is unfortunate:
MAG Theatron TDC-3200W DSP Stereo Amplifier 25 dB Gain frequency response vs channel separatio...png


Multitone test shows much increase in distortion at higher frequencies:
MAG Theatron TDC-3200W DSP Stereo Amplifier 25 dB Gain Multitone Measurements.png


So naturally, 19+20 kHz tone turns in very poor results:

MAG Theatron TDC-3200W DSP Stereo Amplifier 25 dB Gain 19 20 klHz intermodulatoin distortion M...png


Distortion dominates our power curve for both 4 and 8 ohms loads:
MAG Theatron TDC-3200W DSP Stereo Amplifier 2 dB Gain Power 4 ohm Measurements.png

MAG Theatron TDC-3200W DSP Stereo Amplifier 2 dB Gain Power 8 ohm Measurements.png


Surprisingly, we don't see anywhere close to power specs:
MAG Theatron TDC-3200W DSP Stereo Amplifier 25 dB Gain peak and burst max Power 4 ohm Measurem...png


And it droops some more at low frequencies:
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We can see that in our power vs frequency sweeps:
MAG Theatron TDC-3200W DSP Stereo Amplifier 25 dB Gain Power 4 vs frequency Measurements.png


Commercial amps tend to get used for subwoofer duty so it is very strange to see the power cut back so early. We are talking barely 100 watts!

The amp is stable on power up:
MAG Theatron TDC-3200W DSP Stereo Amplifier Warm up Measurements.png


It never shut down or even remotely get upset during testing. It also stayed completely cold.

Conclusions
By residential/consumer standards, the TDC-3200W turns in very poor numbers as far as noise and distortion. It also severely underdelivers its power spec although this tends to be the norm in commercial amps. Speaking of that, it is what you expect in that domain but then again, those amps are not this expensive.

Lack of easy control/trigger is a major miss in my book. Such an amp would go into an expensive theater that will demand full automation/one-click power on-off.

Load dependency is bad in this price category. Yes, you can use DSP to compensate but it will be hard to do so with in-room measurements.

I can't recommend the Mag Theatron TDC-3200W. It neither has the finesse, nor copious amount of power I expect from a commercial amp let alone a consumer one.

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Manual states:
LIMIT - indicates the operation of the channel limiter
Also seems to have a (defeatable ?) high pass filter.
20Hz -3dB is not that weird as roll-off. Not many passive speakers can match that anyway.
Maybe it is there on purpose given the 20Hz distortion numbers.

It isn't clear how to access/change nor what default value is for the limiter.

The display indicators can be switched off and might have been as default and may need to be enabled ?

Has built in tone generator + noise generator and a bunch of other functions available though the front panel and Ethernet.
Also one can set delay and other stuff.

To be clear I am not defending the technical performance which is disappointing.
Given the elaborate manual I would expect this amp to be able to reach the 3.2kW in 8ohm (in bridged mode) which is 160Vrms .
But ... may require some setting to be altered from default setting as 3.2kW can do serious harm to speakers and even human beings.

Too bad there are no other measurements around.
 
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We're not going to lie, but I haven't seen one of their brand's products measure well....
Aïe aïe.... I quote from their site :

"TDC-3200W is a 2-channel high-end home cinema amplifier with intuitive controls and simple installation. It offers two channels of 1600 W into 4 Ohm and is equipped with balanced and unbalanced inputs and balanced outputs for quick linking. The amplifier is easily accessed with userfriendly Web UI, giving total control over room EQ, channel delay, channel volume, status monitoring as well as other functions."
 
Thanks Amir.
If memory serves me right, I think thats about as bad as it gets.
(Apart from valves of course.)
Nick
 
Even "severely underdelivers its power spec" is an understatement. It doesn't even reach 30% of it.
 
Thanks for the test Amir.:)

It also severely underdelivers its power spec..

plus

Load dependency is bad in this price category.

The nail in the coffin for that amp.

SINAD of 67 dB, that's about what PA amps usually have if I remember correctly and that in itself is nothing that I find alarmingly bad. I could live with that, even with a home hifi amp.:)
Even "severely underdelivers its power spec" is an understatement. It doesn't even reach 30% of it.
I agree. As a manufacturer, exaggerating (lying?) so much is really bad style
 
Beauty may only be skin deep, but ugly goes straight to the bone as we see here. Hopefully the owner can return it for a full refund.
 
$2400 for a dramatically under-spec'd distortion machine with a fan and phoenix terminals. Buyer beware in pro sound world too. Thanks again Amir for probing deeper beyond typical home audio gear.
 
Wow. Pro Audio snakeoil.

A 19" form factor doesn't make it pro. This brand focusses on home theaters. In my book, that's residential use. In a commercial cinema you’ll find brands like JBL, Krix, QSC and Crown.
 
Indeed. My bad. The name "Theatron" is a bit of an indicator!

Pretty excessive power for two channels of most people's home theatre though. (Where powered subs are generally the norm.)
It was not only the form factor but also the claimed power output and some of the features, that put it into my pro-audio category.

Either way, it's basically an amplifier. Big fail, no matter what sub category. Especially given the price.
 
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Amir also noticed there was soft-clipping (limiter) which is described in the manual as well and makes perfect sense to ship an amp with this amount of power with the limiter enabled.

This amp (without limiter engaged) will be able to supply 2x 80V or 1x 160V to speakers (if the specs are accurate) and given the power rating and it being class-D would be hard clipping if it would be hitting the power rails which the measurements do not indicate.

One thing is for sure... I haven't seen anybody checking the output power all simply copy the spec sheet.
Still, given the manual that comes with it I see no reason for the gap between measured (and soft-clipped) power rating and listed power rating.

And yes, it has high amounts of distortion yet is listed as 'home theater' amplifier.
I would not touch it with a 10ft pole for home audio.
 
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Thanks for the review.
You didn't measure power in bridged mode ?
(Well, not sure it's worth more effort, anyway)
 
Thanks for the review.
You didn't measure power in bridged mode ?
(Well, not sure it's worth more effort, anyway)
It would simply be double the power (in 8ohm) opposite the 4ohm loaded single channel so around 900W in 8ohm instead of 2x 450W in 4ohm (1% THD).
And ... it would still be soft clipped (as I suspect a limiter is active).
Even harmonic distortion would likely be a little lower but not the odd harmonics so SINAD would be similar.
 
Noise and distortion are expected for this type of design, but IDK why anyone would want to spend this kind of money when Crown and Behringer, to name two companies are offering similar products are much less expensive, have 12v triggers, built in crossovers and dsp, and flat FR from 20 to 20k hz. After all, what good is all that stupid high power, if you have roll-offs at both ends of the FR spectrum? It's as overpriced and undervalued as those theatre speakers that were reviewed a few weeks back.

Thank you for the very professional review, Amir.
 
Should be better for the price
 
Brutal SINAD, barely makes it to 1/4 of its advertised power output, poor frequency response... In the words of Mike and Jay from Red Letter Media:

"How Embarrassing"
 
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