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macOS vs. Windows vs. Linux

Which OS do you prefer?

  • macOS

    Votes: 52 43.0%
  • Windows

    Votes: 38 31.4%
  • Linux

    Votes: 31 25.6%

  • Total voters
    121
For me it’s more a case of what do you hate the least. I may prefer Unix or Linux if I were a serious professional, but I’m not. So it’s Windows most of the time for me, for availability of native apps, slightly better control over what goes on with the machine I paid for, file compatibility with the world at large, and because I know it the best. I find Apple terribly frustrating.
 
So it’s Windows most of the time for me, for availability of native apps, slightly better control over what goes on with the machine I paid for, file compatibility with the world at large
I have found that later versions (10 & 11) of Windows have taken over my machines to the point of deep frustration. I have resorted to scripts like Windows10Debloater to get rid of all the junk and give me some control back.

Linux on the other gives you total control (and the ability to badly break things!) - so for a novice / non advanced user Windows wins.
 
Any comments/opinions on the Magic Mouse?
Any mouse Apple has made in the last 30+ years has given me finger cramps within minutes. The Magic Mouse is one of the worst. Totally unusable.

That said, I am otherwise primarily a Mac user. While I could easily live with Linux or even Windows if i was forced I choose Macs primarily because of good hardware build quality and longevity, an OS that does the essentials well (and otherwise gets out the way) and has enough UNIXness for when I need to do something more taxing.

There are things I like very much about some of the Windows 10 (and even 11) design/UI choices but Microsoft's egregious privacy infringements, tracking and ad bombardment makes it essentially a no go. If only MS would treat their customers like adults, and respect their privacy, then Windows could be a fine OS.

I want to like Linux as a desktop OS – as a server/headless OS it obviously is far better than Mac/Windows – but the ridiculous fragmentation of window managers, desktop environments etc. plus lack of serious hardware/driver support (yes I'm looking at you NVIDIA) makes it an exercise in frustration and missed opportunities ...
 
Which OS do you prefer?

I use several. MacOS, Windows, Linux, and FreeBSD.

But this discussion:

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For those who use a Mac, what mouse do you use?

Several versions of the Magic Track pad, the Apple mouse with the tiny scroll ball (Only where necessary because the button functions on that model are very picky.), the Magic mouse, and that weird, bendy Microsoft mouse-thing. Keyboards are all Apple wired aluminum or Apple wireless.

Any comments/opinions on the Magic Mouse?

The scrolling function lacks. Seriously.
 
For those who use a Mac, what mouse do you use?

The trackpad on my M1 rMBP, Magic Trackpad. Also have a Logitech ergonomic mouse that I mostly use for my work laptop but could use with the MBP as well.
 
Probably goes without saying but if you are already invested in an Apple eco system the little 'continuity' features in MacOS are fantastic for day to day usage. E.g. unlock you MacBook automatically because you are wearing your Apple Watch in its proximity, or copy something to the clipboard on your iPhone and immediately you can paste it on your MacBook and you can now even use an iPad is effectively an extended desktop monitor almost automatically when using MacOS, using the Macbook's keyboard and trackpad to launch iPad apps etc.

All that said I still have a Windows Laptop around for some Windows Applications (even with Crossover / Wine ) refuse to work on MacOS and my day to day work involves deploy code on 100's of Linux boxes in the cloud. In fact that is the reason I probably mostly prefer MacOS - there is almost no difference as far as the command line between a shell on MacOS and a Linux shell and at the same time I can have native Word / Excel / Slack / Photoshop etc running on the same MacOS instance that I am working on.
 
Depends what for.... MacOS on my daily driver macbook air. Windows for my gaming PC and Linux for everything else.
 
When I had more time than I could fill with tasks I used to run Linux. Now with a demanding full time job, some hobbies and social stuff I really can't justify spending hours working out just one of the many compatibility issues that can pop up. Windows has enough freedom so I can configure stuff exactly how I like without the headache inducing mess of dependency hell that is Linux. Also games usually run a lot better on Windows.
Linux is still useful for some projects involving Pi-like computers, but not for my main computer.

For work I use the Macbook given by the company which I find to work well for work related activities. If playing games on it wasn't so annoying, I would consider it for a private computer.
 
Windows Business / Mac Pleasure for me. +1 on the MX Master Series mouse.
 
100% MacOS/ipad OS/iOS. Apple/Mac user since the dark dark days of System 6/7…
 
Exclusively Ubuntu Linux these days:
  1. the built-in 10'-ish interface taskbar (originally intended to be a phone OS) works well for my home theater and I use the TV as my desktop monitor also. Used to run mythtv, but haven't bothered upgrading to replacements since I don't use the OTA tuner any longer now that streaming took over.
  2. also using a desktop version for my networked media file server in the laundry room. Why bother running headless when the desktop doesn't get in the way at all?
  3. bedroom PC is general purpose
  4. works with just about any old hardware
  5. free, comes with built-in word processor/spreadsheet/browser
Disability leaves me with little options because I can't afford to pay for anything extra. I don't buy software any more.

I have an iPad Air2 that I bought to run a Mackie audio mixer while I was still doing that. It gets little use these days, mainly for Zoom calls and linked to my iPhone.

The best thing about Linux is I can get virtually any junk hardware on Freecycle and turn it into a usable PC with basic drivers available, or I can build my own file server RAID and not be stuck into any particular hardware/software configuration.

Also I haven't used any virus or spyware blockers since moving to Linux, and haven't noticed a single issue with only a wireless router protecting it. Hackers aren't interested in attacking my Linux desktop. There aren't enough of us slogging through the pain of Linux in the wealthier northern hemisphere to make it worthwhile trying to hack it. A more likely target is an enterprise Linux network file server/web server/database management system. Far more likely for enterprise to get hit because of the more prolific web connectivity of an enterprise system. A router firewall with all ports blocked is fairly secure. Even when the Linux shell parameter stack pointer bug exposed every Linux to hack (how was that not intentional?), I didn't notice a problem. Nobody cares about hacking your Linux if you aren't rich and kids won't know how to do it with a stupid script.

The worst thing about Linux is the lack of driver support. Particularly vexing is that power management doesn't work on any of my PCs. I imagine if I had a laptop it might work, provided it's a mainstream PC and not an edge case. None of my motherboards wake up properly and the display won't turn back on unless I plug cycle the HDMI (provided the motherboard wakes up at all). I've disabled all the states to keep things from getting lost and still my PCs are not entirely reliable on wakeup. Sound card drivers, DAW drivers, JACK etc. is a nightmare for a casual user without deep OS knowledge and the need to use something else to get rid of Pulse Audio is also problematic because Ubuntu is pretty much the only plug-n-play Linux where you just install it and run with it without having to wrestle with customizations and severe desktop incompatibilities. It's possible to find supported hardware, but it's more expensive and there are very limited choices.

MacOS is okay for people who don't want to think and don't need to do anything fancy. It just works mostly.

Windows is okay for people who need to run lots of software, but watch out...it's not secure.

BSD? Tried FreeBSD once a long time ago. It was cryptic, seemed poorly supported, could barely get it working and it wasn't useful for anything with the GNU support available at the time. Maybe it's better now but I'm too old and tired to look into it.

I'm surprised nobody mentioned virtualization. That seems to me like probably the most complicated but also potentially the most flexible. Windows will get you great hardware support and virtualization will get you great enterprise level Linux/Unix support. With the huge hard disks and fast processors with ginormous RAM it seems like virtualization should be a slam-dunk. I haven't tried it yet, but it seems to me for all you pro enterprise sysops you'd definitely be running virtualized everything under Windows and enjoy the best of both worlds?
 
Exclusively Ubuntu Linux these days:
  1. the built-in 10'-ish interface taskbar (originally intended to be a phone OS) works well for my home theater and I use the TV as my desktop monitor also. Used to run mythtv, but haven't bothered upgrading to replacements since I don't use the OTA tuner any longer now that streaming took over.
  2. also using a desktop version for my networked media file server in the laundry room. Why bother running headless when the desktop doesn't get in the way at all?
  3. bedroom PC is general purpose
  4. works with just about any old hardware
  5. free, comes with built-in word processor/spreadsheet/browser
Disability leaves me with little options because I can't afford to pay for anything extra. I don't buy software any more.

I have an iPad Air2 that I bought to run a Mackie audio mixer while I was still doing that. It gets little use these days, mainly for Zoom calls and linked to my iPhone.

The best thing about Linux is I can get virtually any junk hardware on Freecycle and turn it into a usable PC with basic drivers available, or I can build my own file server RAID and not be stuck into any particular hardware/software configuration.

Also I haven't used any virus or spyware blockers since moving to Linux, and haven't noticed a single issue with only a wireless router protecting it. Hackers aren't interested in attacking my Linux desktop. There aren't enough of us slogging through the pain of Linux in the wealthier northern hemisphere to make it worthwhile trying to hack it. A more likely target is an enterprise Linux network file server/web server/database management system. Far more likely for enterprise to get hit because of the more prolific web connectivity of an enterprise system. A router firewall with all ports blocked is fairly secure. Even when the Linux shell parameter stack pointer bug exposed every Linux to hack (how was that not intentional?), I didn't notice a problem. Nobody cares about hacking your Linux if you aren't rich and kids won't know how to do it with a stupid script.

The worst thing about Linux is the lack of driver support. Particularly vexing is that power management doesn't work on any of my PCs. I imagine if I had a laptop it might work, provided it's a mainstream PC and not an edge case. None of my motherboards wake up properly and the display won't turn back on unless I plug cycle the HDMI (provided the motherboard wakes up at all). I've disabled all the states to keep things from getting lost and still my PCs are not entirely reliable on wakeup. Sound card drivers, DAW drivers, JACK etc. is a nightmare for a casual user without deep OS knowledge and the need to use something else to get rid of Pulse Audio is also problematic because Ubuntu is pretty much the only plug-n-play Linux where you just install it and run with it without having to wrestle with customizations and severe desktop incompatibilities. It's possible to find supported hardware, but it's more expensive and there are very limited choices.

MacOS is okay for people who don't want to think and don't need to do anything fancy. It just works mostly.

Windows is okay for people who need to run lots of software, but watch out...it's not secure.

BSD? Tried FreeBSD once a long time ago. It was cryptic, seemed poorly supported, could barely get it working and it wasn't useful for anything with the GNU support available at the time. Maybe it's better now but I'm too old and tired to look into it.

I'm surprised nobody mentioned virtualization. That seems to me like probably the most complicated but also potentially the most flexible. Windows will get you great hardware support and virtualization will get you great enterprise level Linux/Unix support. With the huge hard disks and fast processors with ginormous RAM it seems like virtualization should be a slam-dunk. I haven't tried it yet, but it seems to me for all you pro enterprise sysops you'd definitely be running virtualized everything under Windows and enjoy the best of both worlds?

>MacOS is okay for people who don't want to think and don't need to do anything fancy. It just works mostly.

Seeing so much of this^^^

Software is the most advanced tool humanity has ever created and it's usually built on macOS. The most advanced tools are built on/for macOS. There is no second best. There is no comparison. There are incredibly narrow specialties like aerospace built on raw iron, and gaming built on windows, but outside that it's macOS. The entire world including most websites are built using macOS. I understand you're not in the industry so you don't know.
 
I am surprised that "freedom loving Americans" would lock themselves in with Apple, which is the very antithesis of freedom! I can use any hardware I want, repair my computer myself, and I can even upgrade my RAM and SSD. Can Mac lovers do that? Oh yes, and I do not have to pay extortionate prices for non-upgradeable RAM and storage. I am essentially using the same computer I bought 30 years ago, every few years I replace parts to keep it up to date but something from the old computer always gets recycled. I think my PSU is >10 years old because there is no need to replace it.

Just look at Apple headquarters, it is literally a walled garden.
 
I am surprised that "freedom loving Americans" would lock themselves in with Apple, which is the very antithesis of freedom! I can use any hardware I want, repair my computer myself, and I can even upgrade my RAM and SSD. Can Mac lovers do that? Oh yes, and I do not have to pay extortionate prices for non-upgradeable RAM and storage.

Just look at Apple headquarters, it is literally a walled garden.
We don't have to. I am literally running a mac mini from 2014 running dirac live 3 with DLBC and Roon because it doesn't need the junk you do. But enjoy spending time and money upgrading your stuff lol
 
We don't have to. I am literally running a mac mini from 2014 running dirac live 3 with DLBC and Roon because it doesn't need the junk you do. But enjoy spending time and money upgrading your stuff lol

You are literally defending Apple for preventing you from upgrading, as if Tim Cook gives you shares or benefits or lollipops for defending Apple. As long as people like you exist, Apple will continue to rip off its customers and the entire Apple community is the one that loses. You would be better off protesting to Apple that you do not want to pay extortionate prices for RAM and storage, and that these should be upgradeable. If their users spoke up and it affected their bottom line, they would change. But no, every iteration of Mac gets less upgradeable and costs more, and it is people like you who are the reason why.
 
You are literally defending Apple for preventing you from upgrading, as if Tim Cook gives you shares or benefits or lollipops for defending Apple. As long as people like you exist, Apple will continue to rip off its customers and the entire Apple community is the one that loses. You would be better off protesting to Apple that you do not want to pay extortionate prices for RAM and storage, and that these should be upgradeable. If their users spoke up and it affected their bottom line, they would change. But no, every iteration of Mac gets less upgradeable and costs more, and it is people like you who are the reason why.

I have never needed to upgrade.
 
One can take that further...serious work, process and resource management and a proper network stack requires UNIX. Linux is UNIX-like, but it is NOT UNIX.
The last time I worked with Unix was HPUX. Does Unix have functionality that is missing from Linux ?
 
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