Lyngdorf TDAI-1120 questions

[PaulF2020]

Ah, I set mine up via Google Home (despite not using it at all, but because that's what the instructions for the 1120 said was the best way to set it up as an Android user)

I'm certain you couldn't disable Googlecast previously, just checked and now you can? I do use it occasionally, so...

Yeah, you can disable it in inputs. I think that's why you didn't experience this bug. They really should fix it asap...

 

[aldoxzx]

Would this amp be adequate for B&W CM10 S2 speakers? I'm struggling between this and just buying a buckeye amp with quadruple the power and pairing it with something like a Luxsin X9. Is the Lyngdorf room correction worth it?

 

[Panelhead]

I think Room Perfect is great. Especially if blending in a sub. Have ALMOST purchased a TDAI-1120 multiple times.
Performance or price was never what stopped me. Once it was a store three hours away who said they had available. Before driving they said in stock and available were not the same.
It would be same as just buying online. Pay then one would be ordered. No listen, trying, or learning the functionality. At least until after purchase and delivery.
Streamers have advanced since the 1120 was designed.
I would purchase for Room Perfect. Not for amp or streamer performance.

 

[Dj7675]

Would this amp be adequate for B&W CM10 S2 speakers? I'm struggling between this and just buying a buckeye amp with quadruple the power and pairing it with something like a Luxsin X9. Is the Lyngdorf room correction worth it?

This may not be a route you want to go, but very good room correction is very important. But I’m not sure either this lyngdor or the 3140 would be worth it. You can equal the DAC performance in a Denon 4800. And get better amp performance and power (175w with headroom for 2 channel). In addition, you can have a display and/or grow into a multichannel system. Also 4 subwoofer outs.. Lastly, if you have a Dirac ART compatible device which can truly transform you listening space. Just a thought.

 

[Holmz]

Would this amp be adequate for B&W CM10 S2 speakers? I'm struggling between this and just buying a buckeye amp with quadruple the power and pairing it with something like a Luxsin X9. Is the Lyngdorf room correction worth it?

I would hold off then.
You have abott three or four themes going on, and none are bad, but just think things through.
None of these options is going anywhere.

 

[MarkS]

Some form of room correction is absolutely worth it. I got the 1120 about 2 years ago because I wanted (1) room correction, (2) sub integration, (3) no wasted amp channels for a 2.x system (this is just a personal philosophical point), and (4) simple set-up and interface. At that time, the 1120 was the least expensive option that gave me all of these. Now there are other options from at lower cost (eg Wiim), and if you don't care about "no wasted channels" then an AVR with Dirac can be had for less.

 

[Holmz]

Some form of room correction is absolutely worth it. I got the 1120 about 2 years ago because I wanted (1) room correction, (2) sub integration, (3) no wasted amp channels for a 2.x system (this is just a personal philosophical point), and (4) simple set-up and interface. At that time, the 1120 was the least expensive option that gave me all of these. Now there are other options from at lower cost (eg Wiim), and if you don't care about "no wasted channels" then an AVR with Dirac can be had for less.

@aldoxzx
^this^ is a fellow with a plan.

 

[jhaider]

Some form of room correction is absolutely worth it. I got the 1120 about 2 years ago because I wanted (1) room correction, (2) sub integration, (3) no wasted amp channels for a 2.x system (this is just a personal philosophical point), and (4) simple set-up and interface. At that time, the 1120 was the least expensive option that gave me all of these. Now there are other options from at lower cost (eg Wiim), and if you don't care about "no wasted channels" then an AVR with Dirac can be had for less.

It is kind of surprising that Lyngdorf is the value leader here. (I’m defining the category as compact streaming integrated amps with room correction — yes you can get equivalent functionality from an AVR but they’re bigger and uglier.)

I was recently looking at the category again, as our 1120 was pressed into service from its intended system to our formal living 2ch room system, which simply doesn’t have room for the electronics we used in the last home (Arcam AV41 AVP with DLBC,and ATI AT4007 amp. As an aside the 1120’s internal amp drives bass-managed Revel Gem2’s just fine.)

I was quite surprised that NAD not only has still failed to modernize the room correction on M10, but also the price (MSRP and street) is much higher than 1120 to boot. I’m not aware of other direct peer products. I likely would have gone M10 if it had DLBC and with ART it would be legitimately worth more than 1120 IMO. But it only has basic Dirac, which is fine on an entry level box or for 2.0, but asinine and backwards for a $2000+ box.

Yes there is Eversolo and WiiM (regular, not Ultra, as WiiM crippled the Ultra by deleting the AirPlay support that gives any of their products value), but I don’t know about their room correction or bass management and RP is a known, excellent quantity. (If either had the one feature 1120 lacks—loudness compensation—I would have been more inclined to find out.) so long story short we ended up with a second 1120. It’s just a really good, elegant device.

 

[stevoknevo]

It is kind of surprising that Lyngdorf is the value leader here. (I’m defining the category as compact streaming integrated amps with room correction — yes you can get equivalent functionality from an AVR but they’re bigger and uglier.)

I was recently looking at the category again, as our 1120 was pressed into service from its intended system to our formal living 2ch room system, which simply doesn’t have room for the electronics we used in the last home (Arcam AV41 AVP with DLBC,and ATI AT4007 amp. As an aside the 1120’s internal amp drives bass-managed Revel Gem2’s just fine.)

I was quite surprised that NAD not only has still failed to modernize the room correction on M10, but also the price (MSRP and street) is much higher than 1120 to boot. I’m not aware of other direct peer products. I likely would have gone M10 if it had DLBC and with ART it would be legitimately worth more than 1120 IMO. But it only has basic Dirac, which is fine on an entry level box or for 2.0, but asinine and backwards for a $2000+ box.

Yes there is Eversolo and WiiM (regular, not Ultra, as WiiM crippled the Ultra by deleting the AirPlay support that gives any of their products value), but I don’t know about their room correction or bass management and RP is a known, excellent quantity. (If either had the one feature 1120 lacks—loudness compensation—I would have been more inclined to find out.) so long story short we ended up with a second 1120. It’s just a really good, elegant device.

Horses for courses, but I've never missed loudness compensation with my 1120, but then I do run a pair of subs with it and low level listening is pretty good.

 

[MarkS]

I've never had loudness compensation on any device I've owned, so maybe I don't know what I'm missing, but I find the 1120's bass and treble controls (with adjustable hinge frequencies) as well as user-creatable custom parametric EQs ("voicings") to be more than sufficient for managing different listening levels.

 

[MarkS]

Would this amp be adequate for B&W CM10 S2 speakers?

Getting back to this question: probably. I found a review that gave their sensitivity as 88.5dB, which is pretty high. But a lot depends on desired loudness, room size, bass content of preferred music, etc.

What amp are you using for them now?

 

[jhaider]

I've never had loudness compensation on any device I've owned, so maybe I don't know what I'm missing, but I find the 1120's bass and treble controls (with adjustable hinge frequencies) as well as user-creatable custom parametric EQs ("voicings") to be more than sufficient for managing different listening levels.

I agree 1120 gives a great list of manual options to adjust the spectral balance for a given listening level. But…I want the box to do it for me! Perhaps I’m spoiled by the fantastic loudness compensation in our main system (Monoprice HTP-1) and the desktop headphone/nearfield rig (RME ADI-2 Pro), but at least those are set-and-forget and just work.

That’s the only big thing missing from 1120. Though as I’ve written before I’d rather have 4 outputs (analog, digital, or 1 of each) than the adequate-but-not-special onboard amp and a pair of outputs.

 

[aldoxzx]

Getting back to this question: probably. I found a review that gave their sensitivity as 88.5dB, which is pretty high. But a lot depends on desired loudness, room size, bass content of preferred music, etc.

What amp are you using for them now?

Officially 90dB sensitivity I think. Right now I have a NAD C388 but I am not a fan of it even though nothing is wrong with it really. I don't have the BluOS streaming card for it so I think I am just going to go with the 1120 and have everything all in one. Maybe the new 2210 to future-proof myself since I keep things for a long time.

 

[MarkS]

If the C388 drives your speakers to the loudness you want, then the 1120 should easily do so as well.

Personally I would not spend a lot more to get the 2210. It's not future-proof if you eventually want to go the active speaker route.

 

[Holmz]

It is kind of surprising that Lyngdorf is the value leader here. (I’m defining the category as compact streaming integrated amps with room correction — yes you can get equivalent functionality from an AVR but they’re bigger and uglier.)

I was recently looking at the category again, as our 1120 was pressed into service from its intended system to our formal living 2ch room system, which simply doesn’t have room for the electronics we used in the last home (Arcam AV41 AVP with DLBC,and ATI AT4007 amp. As an aside the 1120’s internal amp drives bass-managed Revel Gem2’s just fine.)

I was quite surprised that NAD not only has still failed to modernize the room correction on M10, but also the price (MSRP and street) is much higher than 1120 to boot. I’m not aware of other direct peer products. I likely would have gone M10 if it had DLBC and with ART it would be legitimately worth more than 1120 IMO. But it only has basic Dirac, which is fine on an entry level box or for 2.0, but asinine and backwards for a $2000+ box.

Yes there is Eversolo and WiiM (regular, not Ultra, as WiiM crippled the Ultra by deleting the AirPlay support that gives any of their products value), but I don’t know about their room correction or bass management and RP is a known, excellent quantity. (If either had the one feature 1120 lacks—loudness compensation—I would have been more inclined to find out.) so long story short we ended up with a second 1120. It’s just a really good, elegant device.

We they (Lyngdorf) have been working on this stuff for decades, so it is not overly surprising that they are good at it.
And as the tech gets stolen/replicated/reverse-engineered, then it gets cheaper I guess.

One of the few “systems” that caught my eye was Lingdorf, but I sort of stayed traditional.

 

[stevoknevo]

Officially 90dB sensitivity I think. Right now I have a NAD C388 but I am not a fan of it even though nothing is wrong with it really. I don't have the BluOS streaming card for it so I think I am just going to go with the 1120 and have everything all in one. Maybe the new 2210 to future-proof myself since I keep things for a long time.

Add a sub/subs to an 1120 and that removes any concerns about it being enough for your current speakers.

I don't see the value proposition in a 2210 TBH, yes it has various improvements over the 1120 (more power, improved volume control, colour screen if that's your wont) but it's almost three times the cost of what an 1120 goes for on the second hand market in the UK, and about £800 more than what used 3400s have been selling for - obviously that's market dependant and won't apply to everyone/everywhere (and also depends on how you feel about the risk around a used item)
Plus I wouldn't be putting money into a 2210 currently given the issues being reported by early adopters (WiFi issues which Lyngdorf acknowledge) plus they haven't implemented certain functions yet due to waiting on licensing (Roon. I believe that UPnP isn't functional yet?) They really should have delayed release because it's a bit of a beta product currently.

 

[Thighsofsteel]

Plus I wouldn't be putting money into a 2210 currently given the issues being reported by early adopters (WiFi issues which Lyngdorf acknowledge) plus they haven't implemented certain functions yet due to waiting on licensing (Roon. I believe that UPnP isn't functional yet?) They really should have delayed release because it's a bit of a beta product currently.

I have to agree 100%.
I am a MP40 user and very pleased with the product, especially now that Qobuz connect is added via the latest firmware. But to release a product with such things missing or not tested properly is a bit naughty.

 

[Holmz]

I have to agree 100%.
I am a MP40 user and very pleased with the product, especially now that Qobuz connect is added via the latest firmware.
…

What?
I think I need to figure this out.

The only problem is that on the MP50, I am not sure how I get 2–channel only.
It seems to play at least the Bluetooth audio over the whole 5.x set, or a least mostly through the centre channel. Which is fine for a podcast or audiobook.

 

[elmoe420]

What?
I think I need to figure this out.

The only problem is that on the MP50, I am not sure how I get 2–channel only.
It seems to play at least the Bluetooth audio over the whole 5.x set, or a least mostly through the centre channel. Which is fine for a podcast or audiobook.

In My Lyngdorf app tap on Processing and then select Stereo.

Also not sold on the value prop of the 2210 myself. I'd say better to get a used 3400.

 

[Thighsofsteel]

What?
I think I need to figure this out.

The only problem is that on the MP50, I am not sure how I get 2–channel only.
It seems to play at least the Bluetooth audio over the whole 5.x set, or a least mostly through the centre channel. Which is fine for a podcast or audiobook.

Firstly download 5.4 firmware. That enables Qobuz connect.
In the app, under the section Post processing, choose “none” or “stereo”