Lyngdorf TDAI-1120 questions

[Tassin]

Hi all,

Does anyone know if this amp will be able to properly drive some higher impedance speakers? They are rated at 12 ohms nominal and won't go below 9 ohms. Sensitivity is rated @90dB.
My technical knowledge of amps and speakers is very basic, but I've read that amps with a high damping factor will still have a very "clean" output signal at lower power as opposed to lower damping factor amps, like this one. So, will driving these speakers with a TDAI-1120 result in higher (audible) distortion levels or other negative side-effects?
Thanks in advance!

Though it's usually low impedances that makes speaker more difficult to drive, I guess the 1120 won't have any problem at all driving yours. The 90 dB sensitivity helps, of course.

Speculating the 1120 manages to output 40 W into 9-12 Ohm, that'll give you roughly some 15 dB on top of 90 dB. That's a decent SPL.

But, why not ask Lyngdorf? Their CS is very responsive.

 

[coiler]

Though it's usually low impedances that makes speaker more difficult to drive, I guess the 1120 won't have any problem at all driving yours. The 90 dB sensitivity helps, of course.

Speculating the 1120 manages to output 40 W into 9-12 Ohm, that'll give you roughly some 15 dB on top of 90 dB. That's a decent SPL.

But, why not ask Lyngdorf? Their CS is very responsive.

Thanks! I asked Lyngdorf as well and they gave me the same answer. As well as some extra advice on speaker placement and room treatment. Excellent CS indeed!

 

[fuji]

Hello everyone,

Can anyone recommend good (can be paid) DLNA/UPnP app for iOS to controll music library for Lyngdorf? I have couple of thousands digital albums in FLACs and browsing them in Lyngdorf app or web app is a huge pain.

I've tried mConnect but it is not visually pleasing, BubbleUPnP is not avilable on iOS. I was considering ROON for a moment but building pc with core and expensive license seems like a overkill in my case.

 

[elderbank]

Hello everyone,

Can anyone recommend good (can be paid) DLNA/UPnP app for iOS to controll music library for Lyngdorf? I have couple of thousands digital albums in FLACs and browsing them in Lyngdorf app or web app is a huge pain.

I've tried mConnect but it is not visually pleasing, BubbleUPnP is not avilable on iOS. I was considering ROON for a moment but building pc with core and expensive license seems like a overkill in my case.

am experimenting with Asset UPnP and it seems decent.

 

[Garlic]

Hello Everyone,

I recently purchased a TDAI-1120 and what a great product !

I have it setup as a pre-amp to drive a pair of NCore monoblocks (Audiophonics). I'm curious as to what value i should input into the "Level (dB)" dialog box in the Setup Analog Output tab on the settings.

The specs on the monoblocks is 2.35V for RCA input.

I reached out to the monoblocks manufacturer (Audiophonics) for the correct value in dB to input and they responded 9.64 dB

Also asked Lyngdorf support and they answered, that for most power amps the value should be -3 or -6 dB

Any TDAI 1120 owners running a similar setup, and what value are you using ?

thanks !

 

[olegtern]

I have it setup as a pre-amp to drive a pair of NCore monoblocks (Audiophonics). I'm curious as to what value i should input into the "Level (dB)" dialog box in the Setup Analog Output tab on the settings.

Sorry, I do not know the exact answer to your question (it seems to me that the main thing is that the volume control range is within comfortable limits and there is no distortion), but given the rather mediocre DAC on the 1120 "subwoofer" line outputs, I would recommend trying the amplifier in its main role, as the amplifier The line outputs would be ideal for subwoofers or bi-amping (if not enough power or set up as an active crossover).

 

[MarkS]

That "rather mediocre DAC" is almost certainly audibly indistinguishable from DACs that might measure better.

But I agree: sell the NCores, use the proceeds to buy a sub. Sound will be audibly better.

 

[Rednaxela]

But without subs the nCores are better power amps right?

Is there data about the "mediocrity" of the pre-out DACs? Just curious.

 

[Garlic]

I do not know the exact answer to your question

sell the NCores, use the proceeds to buy a sub

rather mediocre DAC on the 1120

Hello,

I was asking a rather simple and specific question not an opinion on Ncore, subs or the "quality" of the lyngdorf DAC...
Not asking for "advice" on what to buy or sell either...

Why post a reply if you dont have an answer to the question ? After all, this thread is called "Lyngdorf TDAI-1120 questions".

I'll repost :

"Any TDAI 1120 owners running a similar setup, and what value are you using ?"

Thanks

 

[delamelon]

But without subs the nCores are better power amps right?

Is there data about the "mediocrity" of the pre-out DACs? Just curious.

I'm also interested in this answer because I've never tested the 1120 in amp mode but only in preamp mode on my Onkyo M5000R...

 

[Rednaxela]

Hello,

I was asking a rather simple and specific question not an opinion on Ncore, subs or the "quality" of the lyngdorf DAC...
Not asking for "advice" on what to buy or sell either...

Why post a reply if you dont have an answer to the question ? After all, this thread is called "Lyngdorf TDAI-1120 questions".

I'll repost :

"Any TDAI 1120 owners running a similar setup, and what value are you using ?"

Thanks

Fair enough. Though non-owners without an answer can still help you move forward. Let me give it a try.


Isn't this, at the core, a gain staging question? If so, why limit yourself to owners, especially on ASR. What I would do instead is try and work out the reasoning behind this 9.64 dB Audiophonics response. I'm pretty sure the right setting will follow from that reasoning. Can't help you with this, but I know many fellow ASR members can.


Hope this helps and good luck!

 

[olegtern]

Why post a reply if you dont have an answer to the question ? After all, this thread is called "Lyngdorf TDAI-1120 questions".

Sorry, didn't mean to throw you off balance. After all, this is not a Lyngdorf support, different opinions are expressed here because everyone can't wait to have a conversation I just wanted to inspire you to test the amplifier directly, in case it hasn't happened yet. Peace.

 

[olegtern]

That "rather mediocre DAC" is almost certainly audibly indistinguishable from DACs that might measure better.

This is probably true.

Is there data about the "mediocrity" of the pre-out DACs? Just curious.

I have no exact data. I will not mention non-blind comparisons with other DACs But a few arguments.

Amir measured the 3400 and with a similar architecture, there are measurable problems with the line outputs (which does not mean that it is really audible problems, but we still use the DACs rating). Technically, the 1120 has a fairly simple DAC on the line outputs, from which you can hardly expect top performance.

The company itself (based on an spoke with one of the officials on a hi-fi show) considers the amplifier function to be the best quality, and although use as a preamp is possible, they recommend using the line outputs for the subwoofers or biamp and agree that the DAC on the line outputs is not top-quality.

After all, mediocre does not mean bad, we just have a lot of products with brilliant and tested SINAD at reasonable prices, whose manufacturers designed them exactly as a DACs. Not as an amplifier with the added function of line outputs.

However, I am probably not ready to enter into a deeper discussion on this issue. Think of it as the opinion of a product owner without scientific evidence

 

[Overseas]

I thought best quality on this would be the room correction.

 

[MarkS]

The room correction is IMO certainly the best feature, but sub integration (with the ability to high-pass the mains) is for me a close second. The number of 2.x audio components that can do this is very small (and I didn't want to have to buy a 5.x or 7.x AVR just to get this capability).

 

[MarkS]

Why post a reply if you dont have an answer to the question ?

Because the purpose of the forum is to have a discussion of (among other things) the capabilities of different components and what configurations lead to the best sound. This is not a one-on-one exchange where we're all here just to answer specific questions.

 

[stevoknevo]

But I agree: sell the NCores, use the proceeds to buy a sub. Sound will be audibly better.

Buy two subs!

I'd be inclined to go with what Lyngdorf CS say, but the rca output is capable of 4v so maybe start as low as it goes in output set-up settings and work up (my subs are at -14, need to fiddle with the gain settings and REW/UMIK-1 to rectify but haven't gotten around to it, and it sounds good so...)

 

[alaios]

Hi all,
I am asking your wisdom with buying a lyngdorf.
Can you please help me answer the following questions?
1. Can the lyngdorf 1120 connect directly to tidal and amazon accounts and stream directly from the internet? I have wifi and even ethernet plugs at home.
2. Can I connect 2 main speakers and my 2 subs (the subs in stereo mode)? The
3. Can I connect that CD player to the lyngdorf? https://www.leak-hifi.co.uk/cdt/ and more importantly have the cd player at the bottom and the lyngdorf on the top?
4. What type of LP players the lyngdorf supports? I never bought one but is good to know that I can buy one in the mid-term future
5. Does the room correction software work with 2.2 setups like the one I want to have at home?
Thanks a lot

 

[stevoknevo]

Hi all,
I am asking your wisdom with buying a lyngdorf.
Can you please help me answer the following questions?
1. Can the lyngdorf 1120 connect directly to tidal and amazon accounts and stream directly from the internet? I have wifi and even ethernet plugs at home.
2. Can I connect 2 main speakers and my 2 subs (the subs in stereo mode)? The
3. Can I connect that CD player to the lyngdorf? https://www.leak-hifi.co.uk/cdt/ and more importantly have the cd player at the bottom and the lyngdorf on the top?
4. What type of LP players the lyngdorf supports? I never bought one but is good to know that I can buy one in the mid-term future
5. Does the room correction software work with 2.2 setups like the one I want to have at home?
Thanks a lot

1. It has Tidal Connect built in so it's good for that - I don't use Amazon and they're very restrictive on what devices can control their service/playback in hi-res (they want you to use their own devices) but I believe the Amazon music app on Android can cast to Chrome/Google cast which the 1120 has built-in.

2. Yes! That's its raison d'être! Two main speakers, two subs, all combined in harmony via Room Perfect

3. Yes - the 1120 has both optical and coaxial imputs, the silver version is only 2mm wider than the 1120 and 18mm deeper so it should sit perfectly on top. The 1120 has vibration absorbing feet. Unless you already have the Leak then you'd be replicating it's USB playback functionality as the 1120 also has that built-in but can playback higher resolution files (max resolution across all external and internal playback is limited to 24/96 on the 1120, it accepts higher resolution FLAC files but downsamples to 24/96 - a brief look at the Leak specs suggests 48khz for USB files and doesn't mention FLAC, only WAV, MP3, AAC, WMA)
I've removed my CD player as I just wasn't using it as I mostly stream Qobuz/Paradise Radio/USB files, but I actually preferred the analogue output from it into the 1120 over both coax and optical, just sounded better to me, but then you're undertaking double D/A conversion, once in the player and again in the 1120. No biggie but some people don't like that...

4. By all accounts it has a very decent phono input stage so should be compatible with most turntables (I don't use one)

5. See #2! That's what it's designed to do and how I run mine - what I would say, and it's less of an issue with dual subs, is to be mindful of your room size and main speaker demands if they're 8ohm; I had 8ohm PMC GB1 when I first bought the 1120 and they're power hungry, even with only one sub at the time it couldn't get the best from the PMCs as it only outputs 60w into 8 ohm and the PMC are fairly insensitive at 86/87db with 150w power handling capability - I changed them for Lyngdorf FR-1 mains, which are 4ohm/90db sensitive and then you get the full 120w output from the 1120, and also added a second sub of the same model, big improvement (my room is narrow but long 3.3m x 8.8m)

It's an excellent piece of kit as long as you take it's limitations into account and make sure it suits your needs, i.e. it has no digital outputs and only one set of analogue which you'd be using for the subs; if your room isn't overly large then it'll happily drive most speakers given the pair of subs would be doing a lot of the heavy lifting - I love mine, suits my needs perfectly.

 

[Tassin]

Absoluteley right!

This video explains what makes RoomPerfect superior to other ssystems.