Lyngdorf TDAI-1120 questions

[Timcognito]

That's fine, if that small package can actually sustain power output over time.

But amplifier sections aside, some people place more value on the user experience than others. For me the added cost is worth it since I like nice things. Other people are happy to put up with minor inconveniences if it means they can save money in teh process. Both are valid.

Yeah so what, Joe said they were the same. Did you read the review and test report. I just pointed out the facts and didn't take sides.

 

[Mr. Widget]

Yeah so what, Joe said they were the same. Did you read the review and test report. I just pointed out the facts and didn't take sides.

Nope, just looked at it from the 30,000' level.

I like overkill, so I find ALL these integrated models a bit lacking.

 

[Timcognito]

I find ALL these integrated models a bit lacking

okay NP, the Minidsp 120 w/ch and Lyngdorf 60 w/ch. The author thought the Lyngdorf sounded better with a sub and Mindsp better than Lyngdorf without a sub. I appears the price difference in the US is not so much Europe.

 

[MarkS]

At the moment I have a Denon DRA 800 with Q Acustic Concept 40 floorstanding. I am very happy with the loudspeakers but the sound of the Denon leaves me totally unsatisfied. I tried two higher-end amps and the speakers sounded much, much better.

OK, I'm one of those annoying guys who says that if you didn't listen blind, your ears were most likely overwhelmed by your eyes. (Or the "high end" amps were tube amps.) Your speakers are rated at 90dB sensitivity and 8 ohms, which should be an easy drive for any properly functioning solid-state amp. (Or it's also possible that the Denon is not properly functioning, though that seems unlikely.)

I'm doubtful about the Lyngdorf's power, I wouldn't want to find myself with a product similar to the Denon for music reproduction.. I'm a beginner and the specifications of the two amps seem not very different to me, what do you think?

The Lyngford could be a good match for the Q Acustic 40?

The Lyngdorf should be completely fine for driving 90dB speakers in a 25sq.m room. I have 89dB speakers in a 30sq.m room, and have no problems. But if you can buy it with return priveleges, that would be the way to go.

The mini-DSP SHD may also fit your needs, though it appears to be much less user-friendly, per the soundstage review. I went with Lyngdorf over mini-DSP because of its user friendliness, and because Lyngdorf supports Apple Airplay.

The one thing I know for sure is that I will always consider room correction to be an absolute necessity for any system intended for anything more than casual background listening.

 

[Joegalaxy]

OK, I'm one of those annoying guys who says that if you didn't listen blind, your ears were most likely overwhelmed by your eyes. (Or the "high end" amps were tube amps.) Your speakers are rated at 90dB sensitivity and 8 ohms, which should be an easy drive for any properly functioning solid-state amp. (Or it's also possible that the Denon is not properly functioning, though that seems unlikely.)

The Lyngdorf should be completely fine for driving 90dB speakers in a 25sq.m room. I have 89dB speakers in a 30sq.m room, and have no problems. But if you can buy it with return priveleges, that would be the way to go.

The mini-DSP SHD may also fit your needs, though it appears to be much less user-friendly, per the soundstage review. I went with Lyngdorf over mini-DSP because of its user friendliness, and because Lyngdorf supports Apple Airplay.

The one thing I know for sure is that I will always consider room correction to be an absolute necessity for any system intended for anything more than casual background listening.

Hey Marks, missed the message sorry. Thanks for the very detailed answer.

It could be that I was tricked by the eyes, one of the ampli was the NAD C399 and the other was a Rega.. Can't remember the model, but it was in a 1500/1800 euro range. The sound seemed richer, with more depth but again you might be right.

I m browsing for the mini-DSP SHD and yeah, it lacks some of the user friendly appeal of the Lyngdorf but it might be a good option.

Thanks for your time

 

[MSP0416]

Please give this thread a review (https://www.minidsp.com/forum/shd-series/21091-shd-use-with-iphone).
It talks about how one can use Apple Airplay with an SHD.

 

[Joegalaxy]

okay NP, the Minidsp 120 w/ch and Lyngdorf 60 w/ch. The author thought the Lyngdorf sounded better with a sub and Mindsp better than Lyngdorf without a sub. I appears the price difference in the US is not so much Europe.

I m browsing mini-DSP SHD and seems a very good fit, just having heard in the past about Lyngdorf my choice was for a "known" brand. The review for the mini-DSP SHD are really interesting and luckily I asked for an opinion here.

Not really user friendly as a concept the DSP SHD though, I ve been staring at this picture trying to figure out what to do, ahahah

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Will let you know, thanks a lot for your time

 

[Timcognito]

I m browsing mini-DSP SHD and seems a very good fit, just having heard in the past about Lyngdorf my choice was for a "known" brand. The review for the mini-DSP SHD are really interesting and luckily I asked for an opinion here.

Will let you know, thanks for your time

It has no analog input so a turntable may not be in the cards. Good Luck

 

[NainSG]

Hello guys,
I use a TDAI-1120 for 2 months now and I'm really pleased with it (excuse my english, I'm French).
I listen to music in stereo directly and I also use it in "theater mode" with my Denon AVR to drive the main speakers.

My room is not that big so my couche is close to the wall and when I'm sitted I have a lot of reflected bass.
So I have 2 focus positions with RoomPerfect :
- one to listen to music at the center of the room
- one for TV/movies on the couch

It's really nice to be able to quickly change this and always have the best sound possible. My Denon is 4 or 5 years old so I can't have 2 different listening positions for instance (the new one can quickly switch between 2 settings I believe).

Anyway, I would like to be able to select a default focus position depending on the input. I can select the voicing I want but not the RP focus position.
So I send them a message and they answer very quickly that it's not possible for now and that's a good idea. It's possible with a software update, but I think it might be done if they have other people asking for it.
So please, if you're interested, send a message at their customer support.

Thanks a lot guys !

 

[01svtL]

I am looking to run a 2.2 setup. Anyone here test both the c399 and the 1120 in their setup? Features seem to be about the same. My mains are the DIYSG Helix MTM. 4ohm, 90db.

 

[andlum]

Hi lads,

maybe this has been asked before, sorry in that case.

I own the 1120, which is connected to a Rega Aria Phono Pre. As I understood, analog signals are converted twice in the 1120? Analog - Digital - Analog, right?

My question is: does the quality of the phono pre still matter in that case? Would you recommend something more „analog“ for a record player? Or: is the 1120 and it’s way of doing things a good fit for vinyl?

Additionally: has someone used a power amp with the 1120? Maybe to add some color and/or oomph? If so, which one?

Thanks!

 

[Mr. Widget]

Additionally: has someone used a power amp with the 1120? Maybe to add some color and/or oomph? If so, which one?

From a conceptual standpoint wrapping your head around A to D to A seems counter intuitive, but these devices are reasonably transparent so I doubt you are missing anything.

Do you feel you need more power? If you are regularly running out of steam then a larger outboard amp makes sense, but if you are only looking for more sonic umph as opposed to raw SPLs, you should be able to get that using the custom voicing... you can make the sound in your room sound pretty much like anything you want with that tool.

 

[andlum]

From a conceptual standpoint wrapping your head around A to D to A seems counter intuitive, but these devices are reasonably transparent so I doubt you are missing anything.

Do you feel you need more power? If you are regularly running out of steam then a larger outboard amp makes sense, but if you are only looking for more sonic umph as opposed to raw SPLs, you should be able to get that using the custom voicing... you can make the sound in your room sound pretty much like anything you want with that tool.

It feels more like a little boring. This sonic stuff is hard to describe. Maybe I am the kind of person who needs a bad measuring amp because of its tuning!?

I assume the Audio Physic Classic 8 loudspeakers are not too well known outside Germany? Maybe its the speakers...

 

[Mr. Widget]

It feels more like a little boring. This sonic stuff is hard to describe. Maybe I am the kind of person who needs a bad measuring amp because of its tuning!?

I assume the Audio Physic Classic 8 loudspeakers are not too well known outside Germany? Maybe its the speakers...

In the recording studio harmonic distortion is sometimes added to an instrument or blended into a feed, but to use an amp that colors everything with a "pleasant" distortion would bother me. I am sure there are plenty out there who love the fatter texture it may add, but I prefer to leave that to the artists.

Regarding your speakers— I am not familiar, but speakers, the room, and in your case, the phono cartridge and to a lesser extent the phono pre are all areas where far more coloration and deviation from "neutral" will occur. If your sound seems flat and lifeless, these are areas I would look.

 

[MarkS]

You have lots of flexibility with the 1120 to change the color of the sound. Simplest are the bass and treble controls with adjustable hinge frequency; play around with those first.

Then try custom voicings. Unlike the tone controls, these are not continuously adjustable while in use, alas. But try a 3dB boost or cut with Q=0.8 (Q is a parameter which sets the width of frequency band being adjusted) at various frequencies like 500 Hz, 3 kHz, 6 kHz; see if any of this makes things sound better to you. I often use a 3dB cut at 3kHz to tame recordings that sound overly bright, and I also regularly boost the bass between 3 and 6 dB. I have voicings set up with these changes, and combinations of them (because you can only apply one voicing at a time).

Audio Physic speakers are generally very good, but the Classic 8 is not going to get much below 40Hz, and that may be what you feel you're missing. Adding a single small subwoofer can help, and if you go this route the 1120 is very good at integrating a sub. (But vinyl doesn't go much below 40Hz anyway, so that's likely not the issue for you.)

Just "upgrading" electronics is not likely to help, as modern electronics are all very close to perfectly transparent (except for certian tube amps). If you can't get sound you like with voicings, speaker placement, etc, it may be time to consider different speakers. (Or phono cartridge, but I am not a vinyl person so can't advise here.)

If it was me, I would sell the Rega Phone Pre to free up funds, and use the 1120 phono input instead.

Good luck!

P.S.: if by some chance you are not running Room Perfect, get that set up now!

 

[andlum]

Thanks for all your efforts. So if the sound does not excite me, it's not Lyngdorfs flaw, am I right? So I need to play around with voicings and see what I can get.

About the phono amp: does the digital transformation the Lyngdorf executes with the analogue signal keep the individual sound properties of a specific phono preamp? Or is this signature "lost in translation"?

If it was me, I would sell the Rega Phone Pre to free up funds, and use the 1120 phono input instead.

Unfortunately, there is a 5m cinch cable between the rega and the lyngdorf, so I can not directly connect the turntable to the amp (I also use a MC cartridge though).

 

[Mr. Widget]

Thanks for all your efforts. So if the sound does not excite me, it's not Lyngdorfs flaw, am I right? So I need to play around with voicings and see what I can get.

About the phono amp: does the digital transformation the Lyngdorf executes with the analogue signal keep the individual sound properties of a specific phono preamp? Or is this signature "lost in translation"?

According to many of the highly respected ASR members who have been here far longer than I have, amplifiers and DACs of sufficient quality will and should have no sound signature of their own. These devices in particular should be absolutely transparent. I recently listened to an audio sample that one of these members created that was an example of a musical clip that had been run through an A to D to A to D eight times and I could hear absolutely no difference between the original and the clone.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, the areas of significant variation are the speakers and how they interact with your room, and then phono cartridges and to a lesser extent phono preamps.

The idea is that if your electronics have any effect on the sound then it is a deviation from a pure unadulterated signal. Most audiophiles and the magazines do not agree with this philosophy and you will hear all manner of stories about how this or that device will elevate your connection to the music. The ASR counter to that is that if you compare two properly working amps or DACs in a double blind test, you will not be able to reliably tell them apart.

I have years of experience that seem to contradict this notion, but then I have not taken the time to compare devices without knowing what I was comparing which will definitely create a bias... so for now in my mind the jury is out, but I am leaning towards the ASR notion of transparency.

Sorry for the long winded answer. At the end of the day, your Lyngdorf is an excellent integrated amp that while not high powered, if it has enough power to satisfy your needs should be able to make the most of your listening room with RoomPerfect and can be tailored to any flavor you may want with the easily accessible voicing feature.

 

[symphara]

It feels more like a little boring. This sonic stuff is hard to describe. Maybe I am the kind of person who needs a bad measuring amp because of its tuning!?

I assume the Audio Physic Classic 8 loudspeakers are not too well known outside Germany? Maybe its the speakers...

I auditioned the Reference Tempo (specced similar to the Classic 8) and I thought they're for sure rather exciting speakers, but in absolute need of a subwoofer for full range.

There's no reason for the 1120 not to work well with your speakers. Add a sub

 

[Overseas]

The color of the sound is firstly dependent to the speakers. I auditioned Physic Tempo 35,quite expensive, very refined, subtle but NOT vigorous sound. Try Focal Aria 948 or Borea BR09 (different price brackets), from the models I know.

 

[coiler]

Hi all,

Does anyone know if this amp will be able to properly drive some higher impedance speakers? They are rated at 12 ohms nominal and won't go below 9 ohms. Sensitivity is rated @90dB.
My technical knowledge of amps and speakers is very basic, but I've read that amps with a high damping factor will still have a very "clean" output signal at lower power as opposed to lower damping factor amps, like this one. So, will driving these speakers with a TDAI-1120 result in higher (audible) distortion levels or other negative side-effects?
Thanks in advance!