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Lying increases trust in science, study finds

Chris A

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Just saw this posted on Slashdot. This is an interesting dichotomy (i.e., the general trust in the science decreases when transparency increases).

"Too many people think that scientists should be free from biases or conflicts of interest when, in fact, neither of these are possible. If we want the public to trust science to the extent that it's trustworthy, we need to make sure they understand it first."
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The way we understand how the world works (i,e,, Science) seems itself to reflect the weaknesses of the human condition wanting to believe the lies instead. Audiophilia is filled with convenient lies that people want to believe.

The declaration of the paper linked here reflects my own experiences (when the general public doesn't like the answers, they attack the science itself in order to perpetuate the myths).

This seems to be apropos to core subjects of this forum.

Chris
 
That clickbait title lies about what the study revealed. From the study: ”Lying is a short-term solution with disasterous long-term effects that misses the wood for the trees”.

(And to me that study looks more like a column instead of research).
 
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Which is?

Another excerpt to sweeten the pot:

...My argument so far is that transparency, even though it’s “offered as a solution to all manner of social, political, environmental and economic problems” (Birchall, 2011, p. 19), actually decreases public trust in science. For this I have a few good theoretical explanations and a good deal of evidence to back them up. The problem is that the opposite is also true: transparency also increases public trust in science, for which I can also provide some convincing explanations and a wealth of empirical evidence. Thus, transparency both increases and decreases trust in science. The Baroness O’Neill (2002) calls this the transparency paradox, and Sunita Sah (2023) has shown that it’s caused especially by disclosing conflicts of interest. It seems we need to be transparent if we want to be trusted, but cannot be transparent else we’ll lose trust...
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Yes--albeit in the long run, the author acknowledges the disadvantage of not disclosing apparent conflicts of interest (among other issues)--the risk of "being found out" in the future,

By the way, the title of the thread here is the title of the article.

Chris
 
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I can think of several such "science lies" (including lies of omission and apparent conflicts of interest) in home hi-fi audio. (Even Toole is not immune...unfortunately.)

Can you?

Chris
 
Chris A said:
Я могу вспомнить несколько подобных случаев «научной лжи» (включая ложь, основанную на умолчании, и явные конфликты интересов) в сфере домашнего аудио. (Даже Тул не застрахован... к сожалению.)

Не могли бы вы?

Крис
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Ложь и маркетинг — синонимы?
 
translation: "Are lies and marketing synonyms?"

I had to chuckle a little. I think that the whole world of marketing revolves around lies of omission and more-than-just-apparent conflicts of interest. ;)

Isn't that the real subject of the article--marketing of information (even if deemed "scientific")?

Remember Big Tobacco in the 1950s-1980s? Nicotine wasn't addictive then, and of course its consumption had no health consequences. Science said so. They could still sell you filtered smoke in order to limit "bad tar".

I remember when 1,1,1 Trichloroethane (a.k.a., methyl chloroform) was the preferred hydraulic component cleaner/solvent in the 1980s (never mind that all the insects, including mosquitos, would drop dead on the floor of the shop in Galveston Texas/Pelican Island whenever the cleaning vat lid was opened). It was also the main active ingredient in Raid wasp killer (they hit the ground--dead from mid-air), and Liquid Paper solvent.

My how science changes things for the good of everyone.

Chris
 
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Chris A said:
translation: "Are lies and marketing synonyms?"

I had to chuckle a little. I think that the whole world of marketing revolves around lies of omission and more-than-just-apparent conflicts of interest. ;)

Isn't that the real subject of the article--marketing of information (even if deemed "scientific")?

Remember Big Tobacco in the 1950s-1980s? Nicotine wasn't addictive then, and of course its consumption had no health consequences. Science said so. They could still sell you filtered smoke in order to limit "bad tar".

I remember when 1,1,1 Trichloroethane (a.k.a., methyl chloroform) was the preferred hydraulic component cleaner/solvent in the 1980s (never mind that all the insects, including mosquitos, would drop dead on the floor of the shop in Galveston Texas/Pelican Island whenever the cleaning vat lid was opened). It was also the main active ingredient in Raid wasp killer (they hit the ground--dead from mid-air), and Liquid Paper solvent.

My how science changes things for the good of everyone.

Chris
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They now have college courses to teach how to make these lies believable. Politicians have it down to science.
 
You don't need to take any stinking college courses in lying marketing, AI will do it for you in the comfort of your home.
 
Chris A said:
Just saw this posted on Slashdot. This is an interesting dichotomy (i.e., the general trust in the science decreases when transparency increases).



The way we understand how the world works (i,e,, Science) seems itself to reflect the weaknesses of the human condition wanting to believe the lies instead. Audiophilia is filled with convenient lies that people want to believe.

The declaration of the paper linked here reflects my own experiences (when the general public doesn't like the answers, they attack the science itself in order to perpetuate the myths).

This seems to be apropos to core subjects of this forum.

Chris
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The paper is published in a social science journal. Other titles are:

"The power of fragmented elites: the role of inadvertent robust action"
"Certainty and Society"
"Arbitrage in Sociological Theorizing: the case of W. E. B. Du Bois"
"Reimagining modern politics in the European mountains: confronting the traditional commons with the neo-rural conception of the common good"

etc.
 
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Smart people, too. In fact, I find it's more common among the intelligentsia to lie. More marketing is going on...

Chris
 
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