Luxman 509Z , Accuphase E 4000 and E5000

[GSM58]

You are very stressed.

You only have one life!

Cheers!

 

[AdrianusG]

You are very stressed.

You only have one life!

Cheers!

Looks like a nice Weissbeer

 

[Svend P]

I'd rather listen than look only at graphics.

If it can't be measured with a microphone, how can it be on a recording?

Everything you can hear can be measured. It is not all you can measure that is important.

 

[Ken1951]

It was obvious fairly early that this individual was looking for justification and "stories" rather than evidence based information. Just another case of "I trust my ears" on electronics. Fine for transducers, but electronics, unless broken or not fit for use, not so much.

 

[Jim Taylor]

It's not my fault you're deaf and frustrated.

If you're ignorant with me, you'll get a slap on the head.

You needn't be so testy. We are ALL ignorant ... just to different degrees.

 

[Bland_username42069]

If you look at it that way, I agree with you. On the other hand, I'm tired of looking at his face and I intend to exchange it for another integrated one. Can I?

Purely on aesthetics Accuphase is a real beauty.

 

[GSM58]

Purely on aesthetics Accuphase is a real beauty.

It's really a beautiful piece.

 

[GXAlan]

With the money you are spending, you could easily get a pair of Genelec 8361a active speakers and be done with it.

I agree that active speakers are the way to go but there are logistical challenges with managing 12V triggers and wiring audio and power as you go to more channels. There are also limitations compared to something like the S360. It’s not about listening this loud at 1m, but having the linearity at further listening distances and those peaks in the 90’s of dB.

Remember when I said in my first post ... "We may at times appear to be blunt, but it's all in the service of clarity, accuracy and better engineering."?

When you start a sentence “with all due respect” it usually follows by something disrespectful. What I challenge you and ASR to do is to provide support for clarity, accuracy, and better engineering without needing to be blunt.

When you have a guest arrive to your home, it’s not fair for the guest to complain about the cooking but imagine the host also criticizing someone’s fashion choices upon their arrival…

It is possible to agree that you can hear differences between amplifiers while also agreeing that once level matched, frequency response matched, and phase matched, its inaudible?

Think about how you control dedicated separates if you were testing? You have volume control of only 0.5 dB. Think about level matching to 1 kHz sine waves via a multimeter but having different effective frequency response. Think about level dependent distortion adding a sweetening effect.

It’s not that the listener is doing it wrong (the comparison) but that practical realities prevent you comparing the same recording with different electronics and controlling the level. You essentially need to prepare two digital files to compare the two setups.

 

[ahofer]

It's not my fault you're deaf and frustrated.

If you're ignorant with me, you'll get a slap on the head.

Well, there it is. Golden Ears and bad impulse control.

 

[Jim Taylor]

When you start a sentence “with all due respect” it usually follows by something disrespectful.

I suspect that you and I have vastly different ideas as to what is respectful and what us disrespectful.

However ... since you have brought up the subject of disrespect, I apologize for any hurt feelings that I may have caused. I don't intend to be cruel ... in this thread or any other thread.

Therefore, since I disagree with you, and believe that my posts were legitimate and that my manner was not out of line, it's probably best for me to abandon this thread. I have no delusions regarding my importance; it is certainly not necessary for me to be here. This forum was successful long before I came here.

Good day.

 

[DSJR]

It was obvious fairly early that this individual was looking for justification and "stories" rather than evidence based information. Just another case of "I trust my ears" on electronics. Fine for transducers, but electronics, unless broken or not fit for use, not so much.

It was obvious to me that, after eleven years of enjoyment, the OP wants a change. FFS, my main rig has a fifty-odd year old amp system in it 'featuring' a preamp that looks like a small cooker!!! Said amp was pretty much top of the pile back then and still respectable now (as long as one doesn't use 4 ohm speakers with severe dips below with it, as current-limiting kicks in to protect it).

The Accuphase or Luxman may well not 'sound' any different to something like the Gryphon, but the other senses come in here and there's nothing at all like a gorgeous Accuphase amp system set up nicely with the looks and tactile experiences to enjoy, even before any music is played.



For myself, I have no interest at all in such expensive confections, but being a Quad fan for a very long time now, the 'new' 33/303 gets my juices going (similar smooth grain-free sound up-top to amps like Accuphase and Luxman) as I have a delightful if old-fashioned original set stored away currently (as in my avatar) and the Artera pair has more power and not hugely more expensive... Sure, Purifi based amps from Audiophonics will have great performance, but 'eye-fi' still takes a heck of a lot of beating

 

[DSJR]

Purely on aesthetics Accuphase is a real beauty.

They are in small doses. However, a trestle-table full of them at an audio show did tend to make them look a bit 'tarty' I remember.


Just set up individual amp systems, dim the lights gently so the meters can be enjoyed and the rosewood/gold stylee savoured and you'd be in heaven regardless of the music played. A far cry from the 'domesticated PA systems' that 'we' used to sell in the 80s