Luxman 509Z , Accuphase E 4000 and E5000

[GSM58]

You still haven't made it clear what exactly you want to achieve by switching amplifiers?

Yes, I do... I intend to update due to the time of use.

Like exchanging a car that is 11 years old. That's all!

 

[GSM58]

Oh Man, i wish I had the luxury of even contemplating one of these Amps for purchase, oh well , perhaps in another life

Nothing resists work!

 

[Mort]

Yes, I do... I intend to update due to the time of use.

Like exchanging a car that is 11 years old. That's all!

A car is a life support system that can have fatal consequences.

One doesn't put a hi fi amp in the same category.

Give us your next best reason for changing amps?

 

[GSM58]

A car is a life support system that can have fatal consequences.

One doesn't put a hi fi amp in the same category.

Give us your next best reason for changing amps?

It depends on your priority and desire to upgrade your equipment. I don't see any problem with that. After all, that's what we work for.

 

[Mort]

It depends on your priority and desire to upgrade your equipment. I don't see any problem with that. After all, that's what we work for

It's not a judgement. It simply makes it impossible to recommend something if there is nothing wrong with the system.

 

[GSM58]

It's not a judgement. It simply makes it impossible to recommend something if there is nothing wrong with the system.

If you look at it that way, I agree with you. On the other hand, I'm tired of looking at his face and I intend to exchange it for another integrated one. Can I?

 

[Mort]

If you look at it that way, I agree with you. On the other hand, I'm tired of looking at his face and I intend to exchange it for another integrated one. Can I?

Sure but this might not be the site that gets you the best answers. We discuss audible differences between equipment. Your exchange will result in no audible improvements. Therefore we have little to add.

 

[GSM58]

Sure but this might not be the site that gets you the best answers. We discuss audible differences between equipment. Your exchange will result in no audible improvements. Therefore we have little to add.

You're absolutely right. It's better to delete the topic. I don't know how to do it.

It's already boring and it won't lead anywhere.

 

[GSM58]

Well, I deleted my attempt to help you. Good luck in your endeavours.

I didn't need to delete your message. I was on Google Translate responding to your question. I read your message and I appreciate your attention. You were very polite.
I've already decided that I'm going to change the Dynaudio first. I think that's the best way to go.

Have a great week!

 

[Jim Taylor]

If I'm not mistaken, I didn't ask you anything.

You've posted on a public forum. Anyone can contribute.

ave already answered all the messages with all the patience in the world.

And members here have tried to help you with all the patience in the world.

I have explained all the details of import and return several times.

With a few possible exceptions, I believe that "import and return" is not the issue. The basic issue is your belief that you are hearing differences between competently-designed amplifiers.

Remember when I said in my first post ... "We may at times appear to be blunt, but it's all in the service of clarity, accuracy and better engineering."? A tacit element of that statement is that we do not support assertions that cannot be proven through application of controlled tests.

I extended to you a offer to "stick around". I said that I've learned a lot, and so can you. I meant what I said. I said it to make you feel welcome. However, you don't visit another family and then stay for supper, putting your feet under their table, and then criticize the way they cook.

 

[DavidEdwinAston]

You've posted on a public forum. Anyone can contribute.



And members here have tried to help you with all the patience in the world.



With a few possible exceptions, I believe that "import and return" is not the issue. The basic issue is your belief that you are hearing differences between competently-designed amplifiers.

Remember when I said in my first post ... "We may at times appear to be blunt, but it's all in the service of clarity, accuracy and better engineering."? A tacit element of that statement is that we do not support assertions that cannot be proven through application of controlled tests.

I extended to you a offer to "stick around". I said that I've learned a lot, and so can you. I meant what I said. I said it to make you feel welcome. However, you don't visit another family and then stay for supper, putting your feet under their table, and then criticize the way they cook.

Brilliant Jim, and thank you for making my planned comments, unnecessary!

 

[Overseas]

With such big budgets, it would be fun to set up a secondary much cheaper but well ASR-rated amplification system and to conduct preferably blind tests with friends vs main expensive system.
This is not meant to be a controversial post.

 

[GSM58]

You've posted on a public forum. Anyone can contribute.

This is not a contribution, it's lack of education.

Simple as that!

The funny thing is that it's only valid for one side.

With a few possible exceptions, I believe that "import and return" is not the issue. The basic issue is your belief that you are hearing differences between competently-designed amplifiers.

Remember when I said in my first post ... "We may at times appear to be blunt, but it's all in the service of clarity, accuracy and better engineering."? A tacit element of that statement is that we do not support assertions that cannot be proven through application of controlled tests.

I extended to you a offer to "stick around". I said that I've learned a lot, and so can you. I meant what I said. I said it to make you feel welcome. However, you don't visit another family and then stay for supper, putting your feet under their table, and then criticize the way they cook.

You have no foundation and the slightest notion to talk about return in Brazil. Oh, it's already too much!
About the beliefs, everyone has their own. I'd rather listen than look only at graphics.
For me, you can delete the Topic.
No one listened to the mentioned equipment.

 

[DavidEdwinAston]

This is not a contribution, it's lack of education.

Simple as that!

The funny thing is that it's only valid for one side.


You have no foundation and the slightest notion to talk about return in Brazil. Oh, it's already too much!
About the beliefs, everyone has their own. I'd rather listen than look only at graphics.
For me, you can delete the Topic.
No one listened to the mentioned equipment.

Very few people can afford to buy that equipment. Luckily for us on ASR, with the exception of loudspeakers, we "know" that we don't actually have to spend that amount of money for audio happiness.
I would always suggest that rich people should perhaps give some of their excess funds to charity. But that is entirely their business.

 

[AdrianusG]

This is not a contribution, it's lack of education.

Simple as that!

The funny thing is that it's only valid for one side.


You have no foundation and the slightest notion to talk about return in Brazil. Oh, it's already too much!
About the beliefs, everyone has their own. I'd rather listen than look only at graphics.
For me, you can delete the Topic.
No one listened to the mentioned equipment.

There are still valid reasons to buy such a peace of equipment, (if you can afford it!) or at least that's what i think.
-Build quality/reliability
-It will run or is repairable for decades to come
-At my age it would very likely outlive me, but alas i simply don't have the budget

 

[GSM58]

Very few people can afford to buy that equipment. Luckily for us on ASR, with the exception of loudspeakers, we "know" that we don't actually have to spend that amount of money for audio happiness.
I would always suggest that rich people should perhaps give some of their excess funds to charity. But that is entirely their business.

I wish my friend. I haven't reached that level yet to donate equipment.
If one day I arrive, you can be sure that I will let you know

 

[Koeitje]

Yes, I do... I intend to update due to the time of use.

Like exchanging a car that is 11 years old. That's all!

Ok, so you are just buying something for the sake of spending money?

 

[ahofer]

Accuphase and Luxman play differently as well as Darzell, MBL, Gryphon etc.

If it played the same, there would be no reason to have several brands.
Boxes with low impedance require amplifier current.
I'll try to listen to the Luxman 509Z and the Accuphase E4000.
The values are high and I prefer to listen before paying.

You will be asked if you can replicate these feats in a properly controlled blind test. I have some context for you.

Message to golden-eared audiophiles posting at ASR for the first time...

"Different" isn't better.

audiosciencereview.com

Pasted here for ease of use:

People at ASR tend to view good sound as (for electronics) fidelity to signal, and speaker output conforming to Toole and Olive's research. If you like the sound distorted, less accurate, or prefer some other speaker presentation, that's fine, but own it, don't pretend a) lesser fidelity is greater accuracy or b) there must be something wrong with these standards because of your personal preferences or c)you can hear something that can't be measured. There's no need to rationalize your tastes.

Most of us also believe that the way to test for *strictly audible* differences is by properly executed and level-matched double blind procedures, or through taking measurements and recording a result above audible thresholds. The fact that you noticed a difference outside of these conditions simply isn't evidence of a difference in signal quality at your ears. Even if it is a difference in the signal, as opposed to some sighted bias, it is likely to be a difference in amplitude rather than something more subtle.

Finally, all of the above mistakes are simply human. No human being is so "experienced" or "trained', or "sensitive" as to be able to make sighted comparisons objectively.

 

[ahofer]

I wonder how often people go to Bogleheads to brag about how their stock-picking can consistently outperform the broad stock market?

 

[Jimbob54]

This is not a contribution, it's lack of education.

Simple as that!

The funny thing is that it's only valid for one side.


You have no foundation and the slightest notion to talk about return in Brazil. Oh, it's already too much!
About the beliefs, everyone has their own. I'd rather listen than look only at graphics.
For me, you can delete the Topic.
No one listened to the mentioned equipment.

Lets keep it civil please. Thanks.