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Linus Tech Tips is going to be testing audio gear? LTT Lab 1

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And he is going to fund it with "merch?" How come you all are not funding me with merch??? :D
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VSG who writes for Techpowerup does custom water cooling reviews. I think he has a PHD in some related field, and has access to a climate controlled box for testing. The most mainstream thing he tests is fans, but only in the context of watercooling radiators though.

For motherboard VRM testing I think Hardware Unboxed is fine. They try to control for ambient temperature, and a variance of <5c won't really matter when the gap can be 10c+. It's enough to know if a mobo is a lemon for thermals.
Hardware Unboxed does also good monitor reviews.
 

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There was a mention of hiring a specialist for headphone & speaker measurements during the latest WAN Show (2:22:30).
A couple WAN shows back he also said he had someone really good/experienced lined up from the audio field. Wonder if they signed them up or they found better work elsewhere
 

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A couple WAN shows back he also said he had someone really good/experienced lined up from the audio field. Wonder if they signed them up or they found better work elsewhere
They probably hired John Darko for the job.
 

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After months of teasing, it was finally revealed to be Gary Key.

Looks like they paid him to move to Canada. Linus described him as "expensive", and he required a bit of prodding to take the job. Relocating, plus leaving a well-paid Asus job for 13 years, probably cost a pretty penny. Considering he talked in the last show about the huge expense of hiring 65 people, I imagine his salary (plus the resources promised for testing) outstrips everyone but Linus.

He name-dropped Ian Cuttress, Anand Lal Shimpi and Rajinder Gill, but said Gary was his first choice (which he joked about hurting his negotiating position). Never heard of him, but it was probably before my time. I guess he's not chasing names, as I know of the other three, alongside Ryan Shrout and Jonny Guru. The goal of Lab 2 (which is 5x the size of the now defunct Lab 1) is to make specialised content like (also name-dropped) HDTVTest (display panels) and EposVox (streaming).
 

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I have more thoughts on the matter, but wanted to keep them separate from the purely Lab-based comments.

On one hand, aggressive expansion and reinvesting everything is how you get MrBeast-level growth. What's more aggressive than a Youtuber poaching a seasoned employee from an established company (and using him as bait to encourage other defectors)? But it seems quite expensive. I don't know if they're burning cash, but he said in his Expanding Labs video that "what little cash Yvonne and I had left for business development & expenses" was going into the Labs instead of another merch run.

I'm no businessman, and not one to judge. You can write off a lot of equipment costs the way you can't with people, and GamersNexus did just buy a massive fan tester, so the writing is on the wall for the "generalist" content he wants to move away from. But he's paying a guy to "think" for 6 months, with no idea of what the returns will be. It's like philosophy or academia.

Me personally, I would've dumped that money into property (so my company's less reliant on Youtube), or bought established or up-and-coming channels. NXGamer (55K subs) is a smaller DigitalFoundry who is sometimes contracted by IGN. In a MLID stream, he namedropped VGTech (25K subs) as the only other trustworthy videogame framerate data channel, besides him and DF. I would buy or rebrand NX or VG. Maybe grab a few of these tech rumour channels that have been popping off in the last few years, and have them pump out 1 video a week on separate days, so I have new content every day.

My favourite is the long-format essay Jim from AdoredTV used to do. But LTT doesn't dabble in rumours (probably because of their close connections to manufacturers), and they only have 2 video essays on Tech Longer. They also don't do much gaming, outside of PC benchmarking. Someone like FrameChasers specialises on a game (Warzone), both the content and the PC-building side.

Maybe it's wishful thinking. Linus said multiple times that workers are his biggest expense. However, Youtube is a clear and present danger that needs divesting from. YT ads are where he makes his money, over Floatplane, merch and sponsors. He said on last week's stream that it's deliberately hiding analytics, despite their usefulness in making the trending videos that make it money.

This is like Uber drivers with the Sword of Damocles bearing over them by the tech overlords. In one swing, they can cut off your livelihood, or make things difficult with a policy change (see Apple forcing apps to update frequently or be removed). And their motives don't even make sense. Profit-maximisation is in their rational self-interest, yet Youtube makes changes that cut engagement and stop creators chasing trends.

Sucks to be a gig-economy worker. I know LTT are in a much stronger position, but at the end of the day, they have no bargaining power. Youtube can decide on a whim whether their channel lives or dies, and are accountable to no-one. These unknowable gods and their algorithms that require deciphering like ancient texts aren't a rat race I'd want to get involved in, hence real estate.

Plus, let's be honest: you can have 14M subscribers like LTT, but Youtube only cares about music videos, talk show hosts and movie trailers, i.e. old media. The only new media they go out of their way to defend are vloggers and streamers (see Logan Paul). Even then, TikTok and Twitch eat their lunch, to the point where Youtube is just a dumping ground for clips from those two platforms.
 
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I have more thoughts on the matter, but wanted to keep them separate from the purely Lab-based comments.

On one hand, aggressive expansion and reinvesting everything is how you get MrBeast-level growth. What's more aggressive than a Youtuber poaching a seasoned employee from an established company (and using him as bait to encourage other defectors)? But it seems quite expensive. I don't know if they're burning cash, but he said in his Expanding Labs video that "what little cash Yvonne and I had left for business development & expenses" was going into the Labs instead of another merch run.

I'm no businessman, and not one to judge. You can write off a lot of equipment costs the way you can't with people, and GamersNexus did just buy a massive fan tester, so the writing is on the wall for the "generalist" content he wants to move away from. But he's paying a guy to "think" for 6 months, with no idea of what the returns will be. It's like philosophy or academia.

Me personally, I would've dumped that money into property (so my company's less reliant on Youtube), or bought established or up-and-coming channels. NXGamer (55K subs) is a smaller DigitalFoundry who is sometimes contracted by IGN. In a MLID stream, he namedropped VGTech (25K subs) as the only other trustworthy videogame framerate data channel, besides him and DF. I would buy or rebrand NX or VG. Maybe grab a few of these tech rumour channels that have been popping off in the last few years, and have them pump out 1 video a week on separate days, so I have new content every day.

My favourite is the long-format essay Jim from AdoredTV used to do. But LTT doesn't dabble in rumours (probably because of their close connections to manufacturers), and they only have 2 video essays on Tech Longer. They also don't do much gaming, outside of PC benchmarking. Someone like FrameChasers specialises on a game (Warzone), both the content and the PC-building side.

Maybe it's wishful thinking. Linus said multiple times that workers are his biggest expense. However, Youtube is a clear and present danger that needs divesting from. YT ads are where he makes his money, over Floatplane, merch and sponsors. He said on last week's stream that it's deliberately hiding analytics, despite their usefulness in making the trending videos that make it money.

This is like Uber drivers with the Sword of Damocles bearing over them by the tech overlords. In one swing, they can cut off your livelihood, or make things difficult with a policy change (see Apple forcing apps to update frequently or be removed). And their motives don't even make sense. Profit-maximisation is in their rational self-interest, yet Youtube makes changes that cut engagement and stop creators chasing trends.

Sucks to be a gig-economy worker. I know LTT are in a much stronger position, but at the end of the day, they have no bargaining power. Youtube can decide on a whim whether their channel lives or dies, and are accountable to no-one. These unknowable gods and their algorithms that require deciphering like ancient texts aren't a rat race I'd want to get involved in, hence real estate.

Plus, let's be honest: you can have 14M subscribers like LTT, but Youtube only cares about music videos, talk show hosts and movie trailers, i.e. old media. The only new media they go out of their way to defend are vloggers and streamers (see Logan Paul). Even then, TikTok and Twitch eat their lunch, to the point where Youtube is just a dumping ground for clips from those two platforms.
If LTT wants more money, they could be more creative. I noticed GamersNexus puts more work into there merchandise then what LTT does. Although LTT shirts are still creatively designed, they don't put there logo on them anymore, which means if you don't know who LTT is, then the shirt looks "generic". In the future, I'm more likely to buy from GamersNexus and Donut Media because some of LTT merch feels more like cash grab.
 

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If LTT wants more money, they could be more creative. I noticed GamersNexus puts more work into there merchandise then what LTT does. Although LTT shirts are still creatively designed, they don't put there logo on them anymore, which means if you don't know who LTT is, then the shirt looks "generic". In the future, I'm more likely to buy from GamersNexus and Donut Media because some of LTT merch feels more like cash grab.
They said recently that they want their merch to look more like normal apparel, so they scaled back on their logo visibility. I don't wear anyone's merch in public, so I can see why they'd do that. But I'm not sure I'd buy my normal clothes from LTT, given the price. Same with screwdrivers. Like, if I want a high-end screwdriver, I'll get DeWalt. If I want cheap, any dollar store will do. If I really want to help LTT, I expect that bright orange logo that comes with it. GN merch is more of a centrepiece. Their coasters, crystal cubes, modmats and cups are unique and standout.
 

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Its a low risk, smart expansion move IMO. What does the gamer who has everything need next? A sick set of desktop monitors that’s what. Plus he’ll pick up some more audience in the new younger audiophiles, which graduate organically from the headphone space.
I did just that around 20 years ago. Logitech didn't cut it, so I went Denon and Kef.

They probably hired John Darko for the job.
Or Steve Gutenberg. Problem is that he might melt testing Doom Eternal with a good setup.
 

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Linus himself has publicly expressed multiple times that one of the main goals is to make his media firm profitable. I like that he is a business person, and has no sweet word around that. If you have followed him since the garage studio day, it has been one hell of a journey. Some people may call LTT shilling or cash grab, but I consider it a great market analysis and finance decision from a business standpoint.

With that said, LTT is mainly an entertainment channel. I go to other places such as GN or so for analytical reviews. Still, the joining of LTT in this audio field would be a great deal. No matter whether the LTT testing methodology is reliable or not, the fact that they have a huge fan base is already a win. They are spreading the objective approach (at least on paper), so the more awareness the better.
 

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Slowly moving the industry in whatever small effort to get the garbage out of it. I can appreciate this.
 

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A new (rambling) tour of the new testing center.

Interesting for me was the size of the place and the potential investment in audio testing. But genuanly decent testing of all consumer goods would be of significant value.

It's a huge investment in money and energy. Hopefully it will pay off with useful and reliable information.

 
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A new (rambling) tour of the new testing center.

Interesting for me was the size of the place and the potential investment in audio testing. But genuanly decent testing of all consumer goods would be of significant value.

It's a huge investment in money and energy. Hopefully it will pay off with useful and reliable information.

Wowowow. Linus is going all in. This ought to be interesting.
 
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