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Linn releases new highend loudspeaker, klimax 360
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Not irrelevant nor ignored.
One million dollars mr bond.It's official:
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360 | Speakers | Linn International
Linn 360 flagship speaker - unprecedented clarity and realism with innovative drive unit and amp technologies, and unmeasurably low distortion.www.linn.co.uk
And they cost 55,000£ (semi-active) to 87,500£ (fully active).
Linn stuff has always looked great (obviously imho) however they're the height of snake oil research and development. In my younger days straight out of uni i worked in a linn/name dealership. Even after showering regularly for the 30 years since, i still feel dirty.
I was at my local HiFi store yesterday and had the chance to listen to these speakers. They are truly great-sounding speakers that totally get out of the way, and what’s left is just the music in front of you.
Warning for the following flowerish description…
The sound is tight and fast without any overhang to it, every transient is delivered in a distinct way that makes it impossible not to start tapping your feets and moving your body to the music. These speakers invites you to an active listening session that could go on for hours, highly musical loudspeakers! Sorry.
The color of these speakers are of course inspired by Scottish whiskey.
After that, I went to another demo room in the same store as I was interested in hearing Linn’s new flagship power amps, the Linn Klimax Solo 800. The speakers were the Revel performaBe F226Be and the streamer was the latest Linn Klimax DSM with their in-house built DAC they call Organik. It all sounded really great with all that clean headroom the power amps provided, driving great-sounding loudspeakers, and with probably one of the best pre-amps/streamers that exist.
Warning for the following flowerish description…
The sound is tight and fast without any overhang to it, every transient is delivered in a distinct way that makes it impossible not to start tapping your feets and moving your body to the music. These speakers invites you to an active listening session that could go on for hours, highly musical loudspeakers! Sorry.
The color of these speakers are of course inspired by Scottish whiskey.
After that, I went to another demo room in the same store as I was interested in hearing Linn’s new flagship power amps, the Linn Klimax Solo 800. The speakers were the Revel performaBe F226Be and the streamer was the latest Linn Klimax DSM with their in-house built DAC they call Organik. It all sounded really great with all that clean headroom the power amps provided, driving great-sounding loudspeakers, and with probably one of the best pre-amps/streamers that exist.
‘One of the best pre-amp streamers that exists’
Keith
Keith
You got that right.
A little surprised to see that sort of comment here, best because it is the most expensive?
Keith
Keith
HiI was at my local HiFi store yesterday and had the chance to listen to these speakers. They are truly great-sounding speakers that totally get out of the way, and what’s left is just the music in front of you.
Warning for the following flowerish description…
The sound is tight and fast without any overhang to it, every transient is delivered in a distinct way that makes it impossible not to start tapping your feets and moving your body to the music. These speakers invites you to an active listening session that could go on for hours, highly musical loudspeakers! Sorry.
The color of these speakers are of course inspired by Scottish whiskey.
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After that, I went to another demo room in the same store as I was interested in hearing Linn’s new flagship power amps, the Linn Klimax Solo 800. The speakers were the Revel performaBe F226Be and the streamer was the latest Linn Klimax DSM with their in-house built DAC they call Organik. It all sounded really great with all that clean headroom the power amps provided, driving great-sounding loudspeakers, and with probably one of the best pre-amps/streamers that exist.
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OK, you warned us but .. hey!! It's ARS.. What make, the latest Linn Klimax DSM with their in-house built DAC they call Organik, to quote you:
And what is special about the amplifiers?
Peace
The speakers are good too ( that will be a first for Linn) apparently and only £87k.
Keith
Keith
No, not because of how expensive it is...
That one just happens to be their top-of-the-line streamer of a product line, but the great thing with the Linn streamers is that whichever model you choose you still get the same software support even if you bought a unit back in 2007. Come back to this thread in 17 years and tell me how your China-built streamer is holding up and how great the software support still is. That is what you paying for, but you don't have to go for the most expensive Linn model as the others are great too.
If you want, you can of course go through many cheaply built streamers made by small hands in China for about the same expense over time, but they will either break or lose software support just because the company that made them moved on to their next new model in the product line (in hope of selling you another one). But be proud, you will help build that mountain of electronic waste somewhere in a country you will probably never visit.
Yes, the Linn pre-amps/streamers are expensive but sound great and have great hardware quality, they have great software support and a well-thought-out and user-friendly interface. They are built in Europe which keeps both the "economic circle" close to you which is good in the long run both for you and your children, and it's built by people who expect to afford an equal decent life as you live.
I have had my Linn Akurare DS since about 2012 and upgraded the unit to an Akurate DSM in 2018. The "DSM" is not just a streamer, it's also a great pre-amp with a lot of connections. 4 HDMI ins and 1 out, 3 Toslink ins and 1 out, 3 fptif ins and 1 out, Balanced in and out, 2 analog ins (one configurable to Phono MC/MM), and 2 analog outs. It also has a room correction program called "Space Optimisation".
The Linn streamer has just worked as intended and without problems day in and day out for all these years thanks to all the updates, and added new features that come with the great support these units come with (even if you bought your unit back in 2007).
All the above information makes these Linn streamers some of the best ones that exist.
We don’t need the xenophobia.No, not because of how expensive it is...
That one just happens to be their top-of-the-line streamer of a product line, but the great thing with the Linn streamers is that whichever model you choose you still get the same software support even if you bought a unit back in 2007. Come back to this thread in 17 years and tell me how your China-built streamer is holding up and how great the software support still is. That is what you paying for, but you don't have to go for the most expensive Linn model as the others are great too.
If you want, you can of course go through many cheaply built streamers made by small hands in China for about the same expense over time, but they will either break or lose software support just because the company that made them moved on to their next new model in the product line (in hope of selling you another one). But be proud, you will help build that mountain of electronic waste somewhere in a country you will probably never visit.
Yes, the Linn pre-amps/streamers are expensive but sound great and have great hardware quality, they have great software support and a well-thought-out and user-friendly interface. They are built in Europe which keeps both the "economic circle" close to you which is good in the long run both for you and your children, and it's built by people who expect to afford an equal decent life as you live.
I have had my Linn Akurare DS since about 2012 and upgraded the unit to an Akurate DSM in 2018. The "DSM" is not just a streamer, it's also a great pre-amp with a lot of connections. 4 HDMI ins and 1 out, 3 Toslink ins and 1 out, 3 fptif ins and 1 out, Balanced in and out, 2 analog ins (one configurable to Phono MC/MM), and 2 analog outs. It also has a room correction program called "Space Optimisation".
The Linn streamer has just worked as intended and without problems day in and day out for all these years thanks to all the updates, and added new features that come with the great support these units come with (even if you bought your unit back in 2007).
All the above information makes these Linn streamers some of the best ones that exist.
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Keith
Can I ask you, does it make you happy when you spread your negativity around as you do in this and other threads? I just shared my listening experience with the Linn speakers, the amplification, and the streamer used in the demo, do you have a problem with that?
Why do I ever click "show ignored content"?
Why do I ever click "show ignored content"?
I have no idea.
Why do you ask me that question?
why would you compare a $40,000 usd streamer to whatever the hell the Chinese or whoever else is in this market?
why do you have to insert stuff like how you can either buy this $40k unit or buy a unit like the Wiim Ultra $329 and somehow you will likely spend $40k over the next 17yrs trying to 'keep up'?
I think pulling this "fortress Europe' type talk shows what your mentality is. Its kind of... xenophobic?
in a thread about £45 - £87k speakers people still have to attack the Chinese? this is where you are at?
If you can afford this stuff why does it bother you what the 'little people' do?
further to this... streaming is a new technology? how can you even begin to discuss how 'support' will be 17yrs in the future???
truth be told many of you guys will be dead by then? we are buying stuff to enjoy now
would my kids want to inherit a 17 y.o streamer??
amazing mentality here.. I can barely understand it. Its so kind of on the nose, its intriguing.
to counterpoint - you can always invest in the Belgium streamer company, 432, and see how that company treats you.
why do you have to insert stuff like how you can either buy this $40k unit or buy a unit like the Wiim Ultra $329 and somehow you will likely spend $40k over the next 17yrs trying to 'keep up'?
I think pulling this "fortress Europe' type talk shows what your mentality is. Its kind of... xenophobic?
in a thread about £45 - £87k speakers people still have to attack the Chinese? this is where you are at?
If you can afford this stuff why does it bother you what the 'little people' do?
further to this... streaming is a new technology? how can you even begin to discuss how 'support' will be 17yrs in the future???
truth be told many of you guys will be dead by then? we are buying stuff to enjoy now
would my kids want to inherit a 17 y.o streamer??
amazing mentality here.. I can barely understand it. Its so kind of on the nose, its intriguing.
to counterpoint - you can always invest in the Belgium streamer company, 432, and see how that company treats you.
You don't think you are reading too much into this?
But I will try to answer your questions anyway...
I guess I did. Don't you find the $2000 Eversolo DMP-A8 High-end streamer to be comparable, why so?
I don't think I said anything about spending $40k in the next 17 years.
I would never buy this expensive Linn streamer as I can't afford it, but I would gladly be the owner if I could. I have bought my Linn Akurate DSM for way less than MRP, and it's the best HiFi-related thing I have ever bought as it's so inviting to use. It's great to have everything under the same unified user interface and ease of use, in the same manner as I think is the reason so many people like Roon. And the best of all is that Linn keeps their streamers up to date with streaming providers and radio platforms, and it has just worked flawlessly for all these years and I expect it to do so for many years to come.
Just because I don't trust the quality of electronic products made in China, doesn't mean I have anything against Chinese people. You can call me "old fashion" if you want as I believe in buying locally, prefer high-quality gear, and like the idea of extended warranties and serviceable products. I almost love that as much as I love my half-Thai/Chinese girlfriend for the last 22 years.
No, I have not attacked anyone, and certainly not any Chinese people. That would be awful. I'm sorry, but it seems you have a strange and lively fantasy.
I can certainly not afford neither the streamer, the power amps, or those speakers. I have visited that HiFi store for the last 30 years or so and the shop owner fully well knows I can't afford that stuff, but he gladly let me listen to the stuff anyway as he's a music enthusiast. It's a great shop with 4 demo rooms.
'Little people'? I have never seen Keith in real life but...
Just kidding!
Do you think streaming is a new technology?
Linn doesn't think so. They decided to stop making CD players already back in 2007 when they released their first streamers. That makes them long-time experts in this field, and yes, I expect the same fabulous support from them for the next 17 years as long as they stay afloat. Most other brands stop the support for the older units when a new model comes out, but Linn does understand that a network player is a platform that constantly evolving, and things like that cost money as they must have employees who keep on working on it for years to come. But you don't have to buy their most expensive flagship streamer to get the same support.
That is what I would call short-sighted. I hope your streamer doesn't break tomorrow. And I very much hope both you and me will live longer than that, and hopefully even longer than a Linn streamer.
I think your children 17 years from now will be happy if they inherit a Linn streamer, as it will likely keep up with the future streaming platforms thanks to all their software updates.
Maybe you have missed it, but my answer was to a guy who spreads negativity around him almost every day on this forum, and he delivers his negativity in "one-liner" packages which is the most classical form of internet trolling.
Nah, I'm more into higher-quality stuff than that. I value value.
(I never said that everything "made in Europe" is good.)
I hope you have a nice day and appreciate my answering all of your questions.
But I will try to answer your questions anyway...
I guess I did. Don't you find the $2000 Eversolo DMP-A8 High-end streamer to be comparable, why so?
I don't think I said anything about spending $40k in the next 17 years.
I would never buy this expensive Linn streamer as I can't afford it, but I would gladly be the owner if I could. I have bought my Linn Akurate DSM for way less than MRP, and it's the best HiFi-related thing I have ever bought as it's so inviting to use. It's great to have everything under the same unified user interface and ease of use, in the same manner as I think is the reason so many people like Roon. And the best of all is that Linn keeps their streamers up to date with streaming providers and radio platforms, and it has just worked flawlessly for all these years and I expect it to do so for many years to come.
Just because I don't trust the quality of electronic products made in China, doesn't mean I have anything against Chinese people. You can call me "old fashion" if you want as I believe in buying locally, prefer high-quality gear, and like the idea of extended warranties and serviceable products. I almost love that as much as I love my half-Thai/Chinese girlfriend for the last 22 years.
No, I have not attacked anyone, and certainly not any Chinese people. That would be awful. I'm sorry, but it seems you have a strange and lively fantasy.
I can certainly not afford neither the streamer, the power amps, or those speakers. I have visited that HiFi store for the last 30 years or so and the shop owner fully well knows I can't afford that stuff, but he gladly let me listen to the stuff anyway as he's a music enthusiast. It's a great shop with 4 demo rooms.
'Little people'? I have never seen Keith in real life but...
Just kidding!
Do you think streaming is a new technology?
Linn doesn't think so. They decided to stop making CD players already back in 2007 when they released their first streamers. That makes them long-time experts in this field, and yes, I expect the same fabulous support from them for the next 17 years as long as they stay afloat. Most other brands stop the support for the older units when a new model comes out, but Linn does understand that a network player is a platform that constantly evolving, and things like that cost money as they must have employees who keep on working on it for years to come. But you don't have to buy their most expensive flagship streamer to get the same support.
That is what I would call short-sighted. I hope your streamer doesn't break tomorrow. And I very much hope both you and me will live longer than that, and hopefully even longer than a Linn streamer.
I think your children 17 years from now will be happy if they inherit a Linn streamer, as it will likely keep up with the future streaming platforms thanks to all their software updates.
Maybe you have missed it, but my answer was to a guy who spreads negativity around him almost every day on this forum, and he delivers his negativity in "one-liner" packages which is the most classical form of internet trolling.
Nah, I'm more into higher-quality stuff than that. I value value.
(I never said that everything "made in Europe" is good.)
I hope you have a nice day and appreciate my answering all of your questions.
Always better IME. I find that I'm very sensitive to diffraction issues, it smears the sound and makes my brain confused. In many cases the diffraction artifacts can smear things so much that you just don't hear certain elements of a track. I've had large baffle speakers with hard edges and in many cases, if you sit in the right spot you can hear the seconday sound source coming from the baffle edge.
These are ugly, but they sound incredible. Sort of a protoype that I'd like to develop into a Kii seven like speaker complete with active filtering for cardoid performance. They are a cnote kit with the xover pulled to do my own filters. There is a clarity the sound stage with these speakers that I haven't heard in anything else. I think the plushie on top is what does it
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You could take the history of the Squeezebox as supporting either side of this argument. The original Slimp3 came out in 2001 and I _think_ it's still supported by LMS, largely as a result of Slim Devices releasing the software with an open license. Logitech bought Slim back in 2006 but dropped the last of the product line in 2012. They kept the proprietary bit of the server running at mysqueezebox.com until earlier this year (Feb 2024?) which is a lot longer than I would have expected. The open side has now renamed as Lyrion Music Server and development continues in the community. Over the years it has gained plugins to support many other streaming standards for interoperability. Projects like piCorePlayer mean we have new hardware available, and Wiim have added support to their streamers.
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