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Lily Audio Genesis One Headphone Review

Rate this headphone:

  • 1. Poor (headless panther)

    Votes: 143 85.6%
  • 2. Not terrible (postman panther)

    Votes: 17 10.2%
  • 3. Fine (happy panther)

    Votes: 5 3.0%
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    Votes: 2 1.2%

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This is a review, listening tests, EQ and detailed measurements of the Lily Audio Genesis One open back headphone. It was kindly sent to me by a member and costs US $1,200.
Lily Genesis One open back piezo headphone review.jpg

The headphone is as light as it can be while at the same time, sports the largest cups I have ever seen! It is very comfortable to wear. The pads are quite think though which made it a bit challenging to mount on the test fixture. Member supplied them with balanced XLR cable which is what you need as a minimum (see measurements below).

Lily Audio Genesis One Measurements
No matter what I tried the sharp drop off in sub-bass existed so I think that is part of the design:
Lily Genesis One open back piezo headphone frequency response measurement.png

We have good bass response and decent compliance with the target until about 1.5 kHz. Then some kind of resonance sets in, causing significant peak. Then things settle down and then go off the scale above 6 kHz. That region is not reliable in measurements so I am just noting that.

Relative difference to our target shows that precise EQ will take some work:
Lily Genesis One open back piezo headphone target frequency response measurement.png

Clearly we are going to have some brightness to deal with.

Forgot to mention that to get to 94 dBSPL I had to nearly max out the Topping A90 on high gain! This is one insensitive headphone:
Sensitivity.png


It required almost 11.2 volts to reach just 94 dBSPL. At that level, we have copious amount of distortion:
Lily Genesis One open back piezo headphone relative distortion measurement.png

Normally the red line would be 104 dBSPL. Here, it actually represents 84 dB. I would say that is about the usable level of loudness. We are talking 30 dB shortfall in dynamic capability compared to most headphones!

Distortion is mostly symmetrical as indicated by third harmonic:
Lily Genesis One open back piezo headphone THD distortion measurement.png

Not good... Not good at all.

Impedance is very high which is the reason you need an amp with very high voltage output:
Lily Genesis One open back piezo headphone impedance measurement.png


Group delay is chaotic, no doubt due to large cups but maybe also resonances/diffractions:
Lily Genesis One open back piezo headphone Group Delay response measurement.png


Lily Genesis One Headphone Listening Test
I maxed out the volume on my everyday Topping DX5II with balanced output yet this just produced mild level of loudness. I kept wanting to crank up the volume but there was none. As a reference, my everyday headphone which is not the most sensitive in the world, is -35 dB! So I fed the output of the DX5II to the aforementioned A90 and that allowed me to get maybe 30% more volume before the headphone started to crackle. So forget about any partying with this headphone. It is just not going to delivery on any reasonable level of loudness.

Within those constraints, my first impression was that of brightness, naturally. So dialed in a filter quickly and listened:
Lily Genesis One open back piezo headphone eq equalization filter.png


Had my son do some listening and he preferred it with the pink filter as well. I then boosted the upper bass and lower midrange which provided good bit of warm. The two combined, added fair bit to the experience. A more precise set of filters may do better.

Once there, I really enjoyed the spatial qualities until static set it. :( Bass performance was good but again, at such low levels that you had to squint with our ears to hear them.

Conclusions
It is nice to see a new concept here in headphones. Alas, the technical execution is barely there. Frequency response is not right and distortion is through roof. Amplification requirements are almost at the edge of what is available. I wouldn't put a speaker amp on it as the A90 was already capable of driving it to max excursion.

I can't recommend the Lily Genesis One. Comfort and spatial qualities are there. With EQ, the sound is good as well. But paying so much money and get so little dynamic range doesn't make sense to me.

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Thank you for the thorough test Amir, but I'm afraid I'm not tempted.

I'm just puzzled by what the manufacturer thought they were trying to achieve by bringing this to the market.
 
Not bad for a ceramic driver and quite an improvement over the early 'X'tal' earpieces :) .
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A capacitive headphone but not like an electret/electrostat.
160nF pure capacitive may be a tricky load for some headphone amps especially with 75dB/V, most headphones range between 100-115dBV.
Even the least sensitive headphone around (85dB/V) plays twice as loud.
For those that wonder ... this is the (also piezo electric) Pioneer SE-700.

In any case it is quite an improvement over the (also piezo-electric) Pioneer SE-300
 
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I wonder what the max. voltage swing is (not specified) before it breaks.
To reach 100dB peak SPL it needs 17V = (40W/8ohm amp speaker out or Topping A90D on balanced out) and that amp would just 'see' a 160nF cap on its output.
For those that wonder ... no 100dB SPL peak is not the same as 100dBA noise levels.
100dB peaks comes down to 85-90dB average levels, just above studio reference levels.
110dB peaks would require 53V = 400W/8ohm amp (800W/4ohm) = 150Vpp.
I'm sure it would not sound nice at these peak levels.
In contrast a Sundara for instance would only need 1.7V (30x less)

I would recommend to put a 100ohm resistor in series with it and ensure amps will not oscillate. That will also calm the upper treble a bit.

Other headphones that use a piezo-electric driver are the Mitchell & Johnson headphones (which are also known under various other brands).
These used the piezo drivers for treble only and had a transformer in it to increase sensitivity.
 
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It is so insensitive that at first I thought there was something wrong with my setup as the levels were so low!
And that with a Topping A90 and DX5ii. Pretty much every other HPA has less output voltage.
 
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It is so insensitive that at first I thought there was something wrong with my setup as the levels were so low!
I thought I wasn't seeing right, looking at the sensitivity graph and had to zoom in to confirm that it actually dwarfed even the HE6se. On the "upside", you still don't need a speaker amp since it won't be able to handle that anyways, lol! The HE6se on the other hand probably could. At least more than my EX5 was able to supply.
 
They look kind of nice, but NO THANKS, nothing I own will drive them with any authority, and an amp that can will end up making them distort?? o_O
 
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Anybody with young eyes want to try to squint at these graphs? Maybe it is the scaling, but they do not seem to match particularly well to what was delivered here.

Source: Kickstarter

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This is a review, listening tests, EQ and detailed measurements of the Lily Audio Genesis One open back headphone. It was kindly sent to me by a member and costs US $1,200.
View attachment 532557
The headphone is as light as it can be while at the same time, sports the largest cups I have ever seen! It is very comfortable to wear. The pads are quite think though which made it a bit challenging to mount on the test fixture. Member supplied them with balanced XLR cable which is what you need as a minimum (see measurements below).

Lily Audio Genesis One Measurements
No matter what I tried the sharp drop off in sub-bass existed so I think that is part of the design:
View attachment 532558
We have good bass response and decent compliance with the target until about 1.5 kHz. Then some kind of resonance sets in, causing significant peak. Then things settle down and then go off the scale above 6 kHz. That region is not reliable in measurements so I am just noting that.

Relative difference to our target shows that precise EQ will take some work:
View attachment 532560
Clearly we are going to have some brightness to deal with.

Forgot to mention that to get to 94 dBSPL I had to nearly max out the Topping A90 on high gain! This is one insensitive headphone:
View attachment 532561

It required almost 11.2 volts to reach just 94 dBSPL. At that level, we have copious amount of distortion:
View attachment 532562
Normally the red line would be 104 dBSPL. Here, it actually represents 84 dB. I would say that is about the usable level of loudness. We are talking 30 dB shortfall in dynamic capability compared to most headphones!

Distortion is mostly symmetrical as indicated by third harmonic:
View attachment 532563
Not good... Not good at all.

Impedance is very high which is the reason you need an amp with very high voltage output:
View attachment 532564

Group delay is chaotic, no doubt due to large cups but maybe also resonances/diffractions:
View attachment 532565

Lily Genesis One Headphone Listening Test
I maxed out the volume on my everyday Topping DX5II with balanced output yet this just produced mild level of loudness. I kept wanting to crank up the volume but there was none. As a reference, my everyday headphone which is not the most sensitive in the world, is -35 dB! So I fed the output of the DX5II to the aforementioned A90 and that allowed me to get maybe 30% more volume before the headphone started to crackle. So forget about any partying with this headphone. It is just not going to delivery on any reasonable level of loudness.

Within those constraints, my first impression was that of brightness, naturally. So dialed in a filter quickly and listened:
View attachment 532567

Had my son do some listening and he preferred it with the pink filter as well. I then boosted the upper bass and lower midrange which provided good bit of warm. The two combined, added fair bit to the experience. A more precise set of filters may do better.

Once there, I really enjoyed the spatial qualities until static set it. :( Bass performance was good but again, at such low levels that you had to squint with our ears to hear them.

Conclusions
It is nice to see a new concept here in headphones. Alas, the technical execution is barely there. Frequency response is not right and distortion is through roof. Amplification requirements are almost at the edge of what is available. I wouldn't put a speaker amp on it as the A90 was already capable of driving it to max excursion.

I can't recommend the Lily Genesis One. Comfort and spatial qualities are there. With EQ, the sound is good as well. But paying so much money and get so little dynamic range doesn't make sense to me.

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As always, questions, comments, recommendations, etc. are welcome.

Any donations are much appreciated using: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/how-to-support-audio-science-review.8150/
@amirm No Data?
 
I have a pair on hand, regarding drivability I run these off of an integrated power amp an Onkyo A-9010 and it works great for that. Running it off the speaker terminals there’s no hiss or driver breakup at my preferred listening level and can be driven harder without issue. I can also run it on the balanced output of the A70 Pro to moderately high levels, just don’t expect to have much wiggle room for EQ.

Personal impressions are that they are very comfy, bass has a physicality you typically find in headsets with bass actuators in the cup and they have an interesting spatial quality to them. Those are the pros, the cons are obviously the very forward and bright signature. Using an Element IV as a a dac w/EQ duty and a 75ohm resistor inline it works surprisingly well though not anything I’d ever recommend as your only headphone.
 
What a bizarre headphone & expensive too!

@amirm , when you say they're the largest earcups you've ever seen are you talking about the room inside the earcups for your ears or just the outer shell diameter? Did you have more room for your ears when wearing the HD800s? It made me think of the HD800s when you said the largest earcups you've ever seen! The HD800 is one comfortable headphone for sure, and probably everybody's ear would fit inside an HD800 cup!
 
What a bizarre headphone & expensive too!

@amirm , when you say they're the largest earcups you've ever seen are you talking about the room inside the earcups for your ears or just the outer shell diameter? Did you have more room for your ears when wearing the HD800s? It made me think of the HD800s when you said the largest earcups you've ever seen! The HD800 is one comfortable headphone for sure, and probably everybody's ear would fit inside an HD800 cup!
They are clearly inspired by the HD8XX chassis design and while I don’t own one I have tried it on, the ergonomics are very similar. The G1 is under 300 grams, have a contour in the rear of the cups for a better seal and from memory, they are as deep if not deeper internally, pads are also slimmer. There’s some more minor things but those of the primary changes between the two hp chassis.
 
I think they look pretty cool, but my praise stops there. This is prototype performance in a production unit. 1K-5K resistance? Did they start working on a lightbulb and realize it also worked as a headphone? Read on for why this comment was incorrect, thanks @solderdude for the correction.
 
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