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Near all the good mom and pop & independent pizza joints are gone. All that remains is the national and international pizza businesses. I am not exaggerating in the slightest way at all when I say that all of them and I mean I tried 5 of them in the recent ~7 years multiple times each and they are simply taking as much cash out of our pockets as they possible can. They are delivering the bare minimum garbage quality of product to simply say they delivered something in return for the huge expense they put on the customers for terrible pizza.
That's a shame.
After the Portuguese, Italians were the first guest workers in Germany in the 1960s.
Some of them started their own businesses with restaurants—and we still benefit from excellent Italian restaurants and pizzerias in Germany today.
It's rather difficult to find a bad pizzeria.
 
That's a shame.
After the Portuguese, Italians were the first guest workers in Germany in the 1960s.
Some of them started their own businesses with restaurants—and we still benefit from excellent Italian restaurants and pizzerias in Germany today.
It's rather difficult to find a bad pizzeria.
I was born and raised in a small city of ~7500 people in Canada that is ~70% Italian immigrants. I ate Italian food several times+ per week and it was all old Italian grannies cooking it. I was spoiled that way. When I was in AV sales in that same city for 2 different AV retailers for ~4 years it was customary/expected to after the AV gear delivery and installation was all completed that we sat with the family, the father and mother and maybe the children too and we where served Italian snacks, home made Italian wine and maybe grappa too. Some days basically we drove back to the shop impaired but that was the way it was back then. One time my buddy that I got hired to take my job when I had moved to the sales floor went on a delivery, he telephoned ~3 hours later, said he was playing guitar with the customer, was drinking home made beer, readying to sit for lunch and the customer was not taking NO for an answer. After lunch I telephoned to see what was occurring and he said dinner was cooking, he was having an incredible time, he was selling more gear, was staying for dinner and far too impaired to drive the company van. That was the way it was there. Between the Italians in the city where I lived and the Russian immigrants in the other city 8 miles east we had our hands full.
 
The French and Germans love savoury gelatins. Terrines, Sulzes, Schwartenmagen, etc.
Polish Jewish and Russians, have traditional savoury gelatins... basically solidified broth with loads of garlic...
Calves knees or feet work well for this, and the recipes aren't complex - the key is to have those calves knees or feet with loads of gelatin then cook them gently for hours - pour off into trays and leave to cool in the fridge then cut into cubes.... solidified garlicky bone broth...
"Galeh"

Sadly the calves knees/feet are hard to find at most butchers - some will accept special orders.

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Polish Jewish and Russians, have traditional savoury gelatins... basically solidified broth with loads of garlic...
Calves knees or feet work well for this, and the recipes aren't complex - the key is to have those calves knees or feet with loads of gelatin then cook them gently for hours - pour off into trays and leave to cool in the fridge then cut into cubes.... solidified garlicky bone broth...
"Galeh"

Sadly the calves knees/feet are hard to find at most butchers - some will accept special orders.

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Interesting. I accidentaly found this when baking roasts and then placing the roast pan into the refrigerator and the juices turning to gelatin. I love the gelatin and ate it as it is and now I find this is a dish. It's delicious.
 
Yes, there are probably some recipes that suggest this, but in reality they play almost no role anymore among the middle-aged and younger generations (in Germany, don't know about France)
Yes, a gradually disappearing genre...
 
Interesting. I accidentaly found this when baking roasts and then placing the roast pan into the refrigerator and the juices turning to gelatin. I love the gelatin and ate it as it is and now I find this is a dish. It's delicious.
The really difficult version of this is to get fish broth to solidify that way... it is traditionally (Ashkenazi Jewish) served with "Gefilte" fishballs.
But it is a dying recipe... very few people bother..

You have to make the fish broth very gently, simmer, don't boil, get it too hot and it breaks down and won't gel.

The combination of the minced boiled fishball, fish jelly, and horseradish sauce (Khrain) is fabulous (works well with Wasabi too...)
 
The really difficult version of this is to get fish broth to solidify that way... it is traditionally (Ashkenazi Jewish) served with "Gefilte" fishballs.
But it is a dying recipe... very few people bother..

You have to make the fish broth very gently, simmer, don't boil, get it too hot and it breaks down and won't gel.

The combination of the minced boiled fishball, fish jelly, and horseradish sauce (Khrain) is fabulous (works well with Wasabi too...)
I have near zero knowledge or experience with anything Jewish. I met only one that I am aware of that owned a pawn shop and he wore the black clothing with black hat and sideburns hair stuff. I used his pawn shop when I was very young and poor. He was skeptical, cautious and not hazarding any significant trust level between us. I sensed mistrust and realized maybe he had reasons to be that way. I simply got his full attention, looked him right in the eyes, I calmly advised him that I am the guy he can trust and I that I have no bad intentions. He measured me, considered that and then returned to the business matters at hand and then the next time he was much better. He loosened up considerably and accepted my loan/pawns hardware without testing the hardware and simply handed me the cash and every time I returned and paid him back and I got my hardware. He had no interest in keeping my hardware and was only interested in the loan. To my knowledge I have not eaten a Jewish meal but the statements about the food has commonly been in many movies etc and so my interest is piqued.
 
I have near zero knowledge or experience with anything Jewish. I met only one that I am aware of that owned a pawn shop and he wore the black clothing with black hat and sideburns hair stuff. I used his pawn shop when I was very young and poor. He was skeptical, cautious and not hazarding any significant trust level between us. I sensed mistrust and realized maybe he had reasons to be that way. I simply got his full attention, looked him right in the eyes, I calmly advised him that I am the guy he can trust and I that I have no bad intentions. He measured me, considered that and then returned to the business matters at hand and then the next time he was much better. He loosened up considerably and accepted my loan/pawns hardware without testing the hardware and simply handed me the cash and every time I returned and paid him back and I got my hardware. He had no interest in keeping my hardware and was only interested in the loan. To my knowledge I have not eaten a Jewish meal but the statements about the food has commonly been in many movies etc and so my interest is piqued.

Worldwide most Jews don't dress, and aren't part of the Haredi "cult" environment - what you are describing is a member of the very insular, ultra orthodox fraternity... they are the Jewish equivalent to the Amish or Mennonite Christian sects... the rest of us, just look typically "western", with some of the more religious wearing a skullcap (or other head covering)... about a third of New Yorkers are Jewish... so you probably never realised their ethnicity!

Also the US Jewish environment is dominated by Jews of East European extraction (Ashkenazi) - there are also Jews of middle eastern extraction (Sephardi) - and that is a whole different cuisine. - Being paternally Sephardi and maternally Ashkenazi, I got a broader culinary exposure!

In the US there are Jewish diners/deli's that serve many of the Jewish foods - but I found that a lot of the generic "diner" food in NY and NJ, was clearly from the Jewish repertoir...

Canada has a somewhat larger Sephardi community (proportionally) - especially in the French Canadian areas (with communities from Morocco and Algeria having migrated there...)

The boiled fishballs "gefilte fish" are very much an east european Ashkenazi tradition - and for many people "an aquired taste" - the name in Yiddish is literally "stuffed fish" - the fishballs are made from what was once the "stuffing" used to stuff an entire fish, which was then presented whole at festive banquets... I have seen true gefilte fish (stuffed whole fish) only a couple of times in my life, and only in my family... it takes a lot of time, it's fiddly.
Using the stuffing (minced fish with matza meal, eggs and herbs) to make a kind of boiled dumpling is a heck of a lot easier, and is what most people mean when they say "gefilte fish".

Industrial food companies make a Jar version of "gefilte fish" which can be found in Jewish community markets/stores - NOT RECOMMENDED. I think these are to blame for so many people saying "it's an acquired taste... no thank you" - some things are just not suited to mass production!
 
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Worldwide most Jews don't dress, and aren't part of the Haredi "cult" environment - what you are describing is a member of the very insular, ultra orthodox fraternity... they are the Jewish equivalent to the Amish or Mennonite Christian sects... the rest of us, just look typically "western", with some of the more religious wearing a skullcap (or other head covering)... about a third of New Yorkers are Jewish... so you probably never realised their ethnicity!

Also the US Jewish environment is dominated by Jews of East European extraction (Ashkenazi) - there are also Jews of middle eastern extraction (Sephardi) - and that is a whole different cuising. - Being paternally Sephardi and maternally Ashkenazi, I got a broader culinary exposure!

In the US there are Jewish diners/deli's that serve many of the Jewish foods - but I found that a lot of the generic "diner" food in NY and NJ, was clearly from the Jewish repertoir...

Canada has a somewhat larger Sephardi community (proportionally) - especially in the French Canadian areas (with communities from Morocco and Algeria having migrated there...)

The boiled fishballs "gefilte fish" are very much an east european Ashkenazi tradition - and for many people "an aquired taste" - the name in Yiddish is literally "stuffed fish" - the fishballs are made from what was once the "stuffing" used to stuff an entire fish, which was then presented whole at festive banquets... I have seen true gefilte fish (stuffed whole fish) only a couple of times in my life, and only in my family... it takes a lot of time, it's fiddly.
Using the stuffing (minced fish with matza meal, eggs and herbs) to make a kind of boiled dumpling is a heck of a lot easier, and is what most people mean when they say "gefilte fish".

Industrial food companies make a Jar version of "gefilte fish" which can be found in Jewish community markets/stores - NOT RECOMMENDED. I think these are to blame for so many people saying "it's an acquired taste... no thank you" - some things are just not suited to mass production!
What's up with Jewish people and what appears to an ability and or maybe using their life experiences and environment leading to being comedians and good comedians too? Like I said before I know nothing from factual experience about the Jewish and from where I have been observing from and viewing from all my life it seems there are many Jewish comedians and actors too and they are good at that. Is that a misperception or is that a realistic idea?
 
What's up with Jewish people and what appears to an ability and or maybe using their life experiences and environment leading to being comedians and good comedians too? Like I said before I know nothing from factual experience about the Jewish and from where I have been observing from and viewing from all my life it seems there are many Jewish comedians and actors too and they are good at that. Is that a misperception or is that a realistic idea?
Maybe those are just the ones where you became aware that they were Jewish? - The comedians tend to play on their jewishness... it becomes part of their act - so it is pretty obvious.

Most Jews are classed (by those concerned therewith) as "white passing"... we're caucasian, and not obviously different from any other people of European extraction.
 
Maybe those are just the ones where you became aware that they were Jewish? - The comedians tend to play on their jewishness... it becomes part of their act - so it is pretty obvious.

Most Jews are classed (by those concerned therewith) as "white passing"... we're caucasian, and not obviously different from any other people of European extraction.
I see. In Canada most of the entertainment comes from the USA. Near all and I mean near all of the TV channels are from the USA and so we see all the USA stuff everyday if one watches TV. Canadian TV stations are basically terrible yucky very dumb content, the news is mostly biased propaganda now, we have CBC TV which those in the know refer to as Pravda Canada and they all have between zero good shows and maybe 3-5 in a week for the better TV channels of which there are only a total of 7 English speaking Canadian TV channels in my city of ~1 million. When I lived and grew up ~1.25 miles from the Canada-USA border the entire city at age <~40 listened to the KEZE FM rock station from Spokane Washington State. When we went to concerts we drove the ~125 miles to Spokane and when we went shopping we drove to Spokane. I had a Washington State speaking accent for decades and that carried through into my 40s sometimes because I was so close to Washington State when I was growing up and I was in Washington State often enough that I absorbed the accent. So I see all the USA entertainment and make assumptions and make the usual associated mistakes when assuming and having about as accurate a predication rate as viewing into a crystal ball.
 
Near all the good mom and pop & independent pizza joints are gone.

I was born and raised in a small city of ~7500 people in Canada that is ~70% Italian immigrants. I ate Italian food several times+ per week and it was all old Italian grannies cooking it.

And there are no more good mom and pop & independent pizza joints ? Unbelievable

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There are also a few pizza chains in Germany, such as Domino's Pizza and Pizza Hut, but they don't really play a major role, and almost every small town has an independent pizzeria where you can usually enjoy good Italian food.

PPS
Last night, I was invited to a burger restaurant. My meal, a large burger with chili cheese fries and a drink, cost 27 euros.
Honestly, you can get better food for that price.
 
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And there are no more good mom and pop & independent pizza joints ? Unbelievable

PS
There are also a few pizza chains in Germany, such as Domino's Pizza and Pizza Hut, but they don't really play a major role, and almost every small town has an independent pizzeria where you can usually enjoy good Italian food.

PPS
Last night, I was invited to a burger restaurant. My meal, a large burger with chili cheese fries and a drink, cost 27 euros.
Honestly, you can get better food for that price.
Regarding the "Unbelievable" word and what I perceived you to mean which I am still not decided on because it would mean here that I am full of BS but to other people I am aware that it is a simple question. I am dead serious in saying the mom and pop pizza joints are not common like they where before and it's pretty much all major pizza chain operations seen now. The same occurred with independent grocers too. It's near all if not entirely all national and international pizza chains and the new style new format national and international grocery chains with huge expansive massive stores(One was using roller skating clerks inside the stores for price checks etc because the stores are humungous). They have huge expansive parking lots for cars and many times now they are built totally outside the housing/living areas at the intersections of 4 and 6 lanes major city roads that are very unfriendly to pedestrians and not easily accessible unless one has a vehicle. The entire make-up of the retail business plan and the customer experience is not even related to what was the Canadian standard before. The downtown inner cores of the large and small cities across Canada have been abandoned by the majority of the people because of the drug addled drug addicts, the homeless and the mentally ill that took over the inner city cores where the social supports agencies setup operations now and they made the inner cores the foundation of the entire issue and ruined the inner city cores. It's across Canada in all cities big and small. One city did a survey and ~48% of the remaining inner city business stated that when their lease runs out they will move out of the city core. Not making it up, not spin, not exaggeration etc when I say independent pizza joints are a faded memory. The entire societal operational manner has shifted to what we have now. I sat here at my desk multiple times before I boycotted all pizza deliveries and I was attempting to find an open and independent pizza joint and they are simply in very small numbers now. The few ones that did exist where spread far and wide and that made me not in their delivery area. It was hours of wasted time and energy. The web pages and phone book listings where often old closed businesses. I invested hours trying to find an independent pizza joint and it just never happened. That was using the Yellow Pages(Business telephone book directory.) and web searches too. Again the entire societal fabric, societal expectations structure and business plan operations is not even related to what we had before. Many old generational Canadians(Me @ 10th gen) and now even some immigrants too are joining in and are fed up with the major societal shifts and mass immigration. Everything changed in a short brief period of time and what we have now is not better than before and in some aspects it is far far worse and we receive less and have far less than before. The loss of the pizza independents is a symptom of all this.

I have never been to Germany or Europe for that matter but I am continually told and advised by people that Canada and Europe and Germany are very very different places with different societal stuff expected and occurring. I have a near daily chat friend in Germany of ~23 years and sometimes we find differences in some traditions, societal expectation(s) and reciprocations that is very different and we actually think the other a bit silly at times if not totally dumb. What we do and what Germany does sometimes is very far apart as I have been told and observed. Stuff occurs in Canada that would simply not be tolerated in Germany and stuff occurs in Germany that people here would not want. The prices of the various ethnic foods and the quality at the prices shown with all the cel tel images of the food orders/take outs etc simply makes Canada look food expensive, to have poor food selection and poor food service. My chat girlfriend in Germany tells me often that there are so many small food businesses and that simply does not occur here now after the business plan and societal shifts.

People in Canada and especially in my home city that has terrible extended winters go to shopping malls with huge food courts. I mean huge shopping malls. The major shopping mall in my city of ~1 million people is ~5.3 million square feet. The mall is the size of a small city and is accredited as a zoo, has ~800 retail stores and services including sixteen world-class attractions, two hotels, over 100 dining venues plus the food court with another 50 fast food venues, parking for more than 20,000 vehicles, >24,000 people are employed at the property, it attracts between 90,000 and 200,000 shoppers daily. The average yearly visitation is approximately 30.8 million people into the mall. I mentally and physically prepare to go to the mall. Everything is structured, organized, pre-planed and not random. I go because I need a specific item like shoes requiring fitting and only the mall has the store selling them. The mall for me is not a random wandering casual event. I map it all out the night before etc and confirm the business is at the exact location. I eat before, make sure I am energized because it is huge and requires a major effort to get to the mall, large distance walking within the malls, often in the big mall there is semi organized bidirectional and even mixed dense traffic flow that moves very slowly plodding through the humongous mall and to try and move/walk fast is a disaster and results in annoying other people and some people then actually intentionally place themselves in front of you if you move fast. It is best to just move slow. The mall requires mental preparation because some people are simply idiots and fools when in the expansive buildings and one must be ready for that and the absurdity of what they do. People go to the mall like it is an event, a pass time, a social location and they have no intention of buying and apparently don't even consider it is private property with rules and security to enforce all that. In brief they are often simply wankers hanging out at the mall being dumb and they are of all ages. Recently on various multiple dates gun shootings inside the big mall occurred due to gangs using the big mall. One must not get lost, plan ahead for stuff to confirm actual locations are as mapped at the website maps, confirm washroom locations and availability which at some malls are all now locked due to transients, unruly problematic teens and drug addled drug addicts causing issues and so one needs to pre-plan to ensure there are no major personal issues after the commute to the mall with the long walk across the parking lot and then all the walking inside the mall. The malls are basically ranging from a multi hours effort to half a day or all day and even more. I bought Merrell shoes at the big mall recently. That required 45 minutes of web searching the mall mapping/store research so I knew what mall side and exact door to use and mapped out the stuff, 45 minutes getting to the mall, 12 minutes walking to the entrance door, 10 minutes walking in the mall and then navigating inside the huge retail store and then getting back home for a total of ~284 minutes/4.73 hours for one pair of shoes. I was subject to the usual rubbish from the various garbage people and their various barrier issues directed at me and basically the experience sucked and no matter how I try to mind my personal matters and keep to myself the various garbage people find their way to dump garbage on me. I got my proper shoe size, bought one pair of the Merrell shoes and then upon returning home I ordered 3 more Merrell pairs of shoes from Amazon and avoided the mall. The malls are a specialized ecosystem and a different shopping biosphere affected by location, size, class of shoppers and the various groups and personalities attracted to each one. Germany apparently does it different.

Germans seem to have much higher expectations and elevated standards compared to Canadians/North Americans and some issues that I mentioned occurring here where simply considered as not even tolerable in Germany and simply don't exist. Then some of the reciprocal communications expectations and reactions simply don't even exist in German people that I have talked with on the phone, in person and in chat. I continually need to check myself when conversing with Germans because I can be offended by the blatant serious simple comments that would be considered here as base, offending and maybe even aggressive or not any of the other's personal business. That's just Germans being Germans and it's not personal, not intended to be harmful and they are simply saying stuff the way it really is and not mixing their words. Some stuff that people do in Canada and in North America does not even exist in the minds of Germans and vice versa. I see Canada and Germany as similar in areas but at the deep roots they are very different and when in close communications there are obvious things occurring that show the minds of the people are different and we do not think the same and that causes friction and nagging discomfort in ones mind at times. But I realize it is Germans being Germans and it's mostly not even being bad to me but they are straight shooters and some stuff that we do and expect/reciprocal expectations is simply irrational to Germans.
 
Dear Doodski,
I really appreciate your descriptions. By saying "unbelievable," I wanted to express my astonishment at what you told me.
Yes, what you say is true, there are major cultural differences and many Germans, myself included, are very direct, which is completely normal and authentic for us, but is perceived as brusque and rude in many other cultures.

Shopping centers like the ones you describe exist here in almost all cities with more than 250,000 inhabitants. I avoid them when I can, but I appreciate the extraordinarily large selection of restaurants and specialty stores.

1. Berlin – capital city, ~3.6 million inhabitants
2. Hamburg – city state, ~1.85 million inhabitants
3. Munich (Bavaria) – ~1.5 million
4. Cologne (North Rhine-Westphalia) – ~1.02 million
5. Frankfurt am Main (Hesse) – ~0.73 million
6. Düsseldorf (North Rhine-Westphalia) – ~0.64 million
7. Stuttgart (Baden-Württemberg) – ~0.61 million
8. Leipzig (Saxony) – ~0.61 million
9. Dortmund (North Rhine-Westphalia) – ~0.60 million
10. Bremen (Bremen) – ~0.59 million
11. Essen (North Rhine-Westphalia) – ~0.58 million
12. Hanover (Lower Saxony) – ~0.54 million
13. Duisburg (North Rhine-Westphalia) – ~0.53 million
14. Nuremberg (Bavaria) – ~0.50 million
15. Bochum (North Rhine-Westphalia) – ~0.38 million
16. Wuppertal (North Rhine-Westphalia) – ~0.35 million
17. Mannheim (Baden-Württemberg) – ~0.35 million
18. Bielefeld (North Rhine-Westphalia) – ~0.33 million
19. Bonn (North Rhine-Westphalia) – ~0.32 million
20. Münster (North Rhine-Westphalia) – ~0.31 million
21. Augsburg (Bavaria) – ~0.29 million
22. Wiesbaden (Hesse) – ~0.28 million
23. Mönchengladbach (North Rhine-Westphalia) – ~0.26 million
24. Gelsenkirchen (North Rhine-Westphalia) – ~0.26 million
 
North Rhine-Westphalia is full of cities, and the closest major cities to the small town where I live are Mönchengladbach and Krefeld.
In Mönchengladbach, there is a manageable shopping center called Minto.
 
Dear Doodski,
I really appreciate your descriptions. By saying "unbelievable," I wanted to express my astonishment at what you told me.
Yes, what you say is true, there are major cultural differences and many Germans, myself included, are very direct, which is completely normal and authentic for us, but is perceived as brusque and rude in many other cultures.

Shopping centers like the ones you describe exist here in almost all cities with more than 250,000 inhabitants. I avoid them when I can, but I appreciate the extraordinarily large selection of restaurants and specialty stores.

1. Berlin – capital city, ~3.6 million inhabitants
2. Hamburg – city state, ~1.85 million inhabitants
3. Munich (Bavaria) – ~1.5 million
4. Cologne (North Rhine-Westphalia) – ~1.02 million
5. Frankfurt am Main (Hesse) – ~0.73 million
6. Düsseldorf (North Rhine-Westphalia) – ~0.64 million
7. Stuttgart (Baden-Württemberg) – ~0.61 million
8. Leipzig (Saxony) – ~0.61 million
9. Dortmund (North Rhine-Westphalia) – ~0.60 million
10. Bremen (Bremen) – ~0.59 million
11. Essen (North Rhine-Westphalia) – ~0.58 million
12. Hanover (Lower Saxony) – ~0.54 million
13. Duisburg (North Rhine-Westphalia) – ~0.53 million
14. Nuremberg (Bavaria) – ~0.50 million
15. Bochum (North Rhine-Westphalia) – ~0.38 million
16. Wuppertal (North Rhine-Westphalia) – ~0.35 million
17. Mannheim (Baden-Württemberg) – ~0.35 million
18. Bielefeld (North Rhine-Westphalia) – ~0.33 million
19. Bonn (North Rhine-Westphalia) – ~0.32 million
20. Münster (North Rhine-Westphalia) – ~0.31 million
21. Augsburg (Bavaria) – ~0.29 million
22. Wiesbaden (Hesse) – ~0.28 million
23. Mönchengladbach (North Rhine-Westphalia) – ~0.26 million
24. Gelsenkirchen (North Rhine-Westphalia) – ~0.26 million
O' cool! I was confused and I could not rely on my perception to understand the use of the word and I feel better now that you detailed that for me. I have a history with Germans in person originating from age ~5 when Rudy the carpenter my mom's friend would come evenings to visit, bring German beers and give me capfuls of nice German beer and get me slightly drunk and I really liked him visiting. From then onward it has been good, all great experiences and even some Germans standing out in the crowd as doing the right stuff when everybody else was totally doing the wrong stuff. Germans in my experience don't really follow anybody else's agendas and apparently know their station and are not afraid of saying yes or no. I have absorbed some of that German method in not following the sheeple and in saying it the way it is and I realize that Canada needs a bit more of that German basic common sense honesty for obvious reasons. I never knew Germany is a shopping mall culture too.
 
Here in France, the situation is the same as elsewhere: chain restaurants that you find in every shopping center in medium-sized or large cities, offering standard fare, alongside gourmet restaurants.

And in Brittany, where I live, there are restaurants with set lunch menus for workers, serving traditional cuisine that is sometimes better than that of some gourmet establishments.

In cities with immigrant populations, you can find African, Indian, Afghan, Vietnamese, or Lebanese cuisine, sometimes from the Maghreb, in unexpected places, which I really appreciate.

And since my son-in-law and daughter-in-law are chefs, I've become quite demanding when it comes to quality.

We make our own pizzas, and I've learned to cook tagines, Indian dishes, and veal curry.
 
All hail multiculturalism!!

In Melbourne (Australia), we have long standing Anglo and Chinese communities (dating back to early colonisation) - but the Gold Rush also brought in Swiss and German communities to the blend, 20th century brought in major Italian, Jewish, Greek, Turkish communities, and later on ex-Yugoslavians, Russians, Somalis, Indians...

Each have left their culinary imprint... in my neighbourhood (say within 15 to 20min drive - suburban south-east Melbourne) - we have a wide variety of Middle-Eastern (Greek, Turkish, Lebanese, Israeli, Afghan), Asian (Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Viet, Malaysian, Indian), European (French, Italian, Spanish, Polish, Russian, Ashkenazi Jewish) - a whole bunch more ethnicities can get added if we expand the circle to within 45min drive (all still within suburban Melbourne).

And of course in this environment, you find a heap of fusion venues, where local young "foodies" have set up their own places, drawing on the many influences they have grown up with in a multicultural environment.

With regards to value - it is always worthwhile travelling outside the gentrified neighbourhoods (where everything is expensive) - and eating at the much more basic places where the "working classes" live... not as fancy, but often more authentic to specific ethnic traditions, frequently great quality... (and this applies anywhere in the world!)
 
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